Wednesday, April 04, 2007

Left Behind - Episode Discussion














Who or what is going to be left behind?

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Sir William Osler, MD said...

Yeah, exactly, Elias. And like I said in the last thread, it'd be way to obvious for her to be a mole. That's what the majority of people think, though, according to the Jay and Jack podcast callers.

Jordan said...

What did you have to go and delete you comment for? Now my bitchy, albeit in jest, retort makes no sense. lol. Geez. I'd expect this shit from the females around here. I think I need to bust out my boob avatar to compensate for my lack of manliness.

I propose that we put "Tyra Banks" on the SAS:MYOKOM banned topic list, if one exists. Clearly too touchy a topic. lol.

Sir William Osler, MD said...

Jordan, if anything, it's my lack of manliness. I will take full responsibility for that one. If you feel the need to bust out the boob avatar (hey-oh), you go ahead.

And I agree. No Tyra Banks. Everyone turns into girls when we talk about that.

elias said...

we need to get in touch with our feminine side, brosephs.

light some scented candles and watch Lost again from a feminist perspective - I did this and only Isabel from Stranger in a Strange Land doesn't let the side down.

elias said...

a detailed screencap of Smokey suggests it may be the Cerberus of Blast Door Map fame. 3-headed nastiness, but no good at the high jump.

losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

Sir William Osler, MD said...

Yeah, I saw that, Elias. It's pretty convincing.

elias said...

We've never seen Smokey leave the ground really in its attack mode. It seemed to take some time to build itself up into a wall above Eko right before it grabbed him. I don't have a problem with it being stopped by the fence.

Jordan - can't wait to see AJ's girlfriend again, she was hot. and Paulie Walnuts is the greatest character ever.

MB said...

Alright people - WARNING - this is a long one:

Elias - good point about smokey never leaving the ground. Anyone here have hardcore theories on what it is? Lindeluse put the nanobots theory soundly to sleep long ago and I have not been following any other theories about it.

One thing I was thinking about was how it chooses who it interacts with and harms or doesn't harm. I remembered several things - 1) it interacted with Locke (and I imagine it scanned him - hence the light that seemed to come across Locke's face in that scene in the Pilot) but did not harm him, 2) It scanned Eko, and ultimately killed him after he would not repent for his sins, 3) It generally has not harmed anyone that has run away from it and refused to interact with it (except the pilot of the plane - and I don't have a good answer for that theory-hole yet except that he wasn't running away yet).
So, these interactions made me think, if it is a security system, as Danielle has said, then I would guess that it is protecting the magic box, or jacob, or something that is at the heart of what's so special about this island. And perhaps it doesn't just keep everyone away but scans people to see who they are and moreover - if they are someone who would seek out what this island is about. If you just run away, you are probably not a big threat to what it is trying to protect - i.e. you don't care that much, b/c I'm guessing that, in order to actually discover the island's secrets, wherever they are hidden, you've gotta really want it.

Locke, I'm guessing was immediately curious about the island, and stood his ground when smokey approached him. Smokey scanned him but left him alone judging him worthy (perhaps "a good person"). Eko also got scanned and I imagine smokey saw his past and saw his sins, but did not harm him yet because he had not really begun his curiousity about the island. When smokey saw Eko next, he had had his vision of Ana Lucia, which kick-started his mission to help Locke, and led to him discovering the Pearl and finding purpose in pressing the button in the Swan. When Yemi appears to him in his tent (in "Cost of Living") he says Eko must confess his sins, and that it is time to be judged. When Eko refuses, smokey now knows this is someone who is on a path to discover the island's secrets and is not a "good person" - so it kills him to protect the island's secret (box, jacob..whatever it is).

Sorry for the length here - trying to get the ideas out.

memphish said...

How were Kate and Juliet supposed to orient themselves from that spot in the jungle in order to navigate anywhere other than back to Othersville? The handy pocket knife didn't appear to have a compass. No maps. Whoever left them there whether it was Juliet or some other Others had to know the only place they could reasonably head was back to Othersville. Juliet never tries to navigate Kate in a different direction despite her smackdown ability. The Others all seem to come with Kung-Fu grip.

Holli

BTW guys, you just needed to put a couple of posts in there saying Boobs or Nipples or linking to the mud photos to un-girl yourselves. Take a hint from Aimee and Kim, the queens of the LOST podcasting world.

elias said...

insightful thoughts indeed. can't really add anything to that other than Locke got dragged into Smokey's hole (that's what she said!).

he asked Jack to let him go, "It'll be alright". was Smokey bringing Locke to it, rather than killing him?

memphish said...

Elias, Locke seemed to think that, but Jack had Kate go prematurely

KABLAMO!

Holli

TLI girl said...

This thread has only brought up more questions than answers!!!

I don't trust Juliet...more like I don't WANT to trust Juliet. She's shady!

memphish said...

Sounds like Kim is working on the music theme for the TLI.

Holli

MB said...

Good point Holli. Despite her protectiveness of Jack, my sense was that I don't think Juliet cared too much where they ended up going, as long as she wasn't left behind.

I wonder why she chose Kate to cuff herself to, and not Jack?

memphish said...

Double Kablamo

216

Holli

MB said...

SNAP - she beats me by seconds

MB said...

Holli - laughing over here, b/c I was so watching the count today and not mentioning 216, wondering if anyone would go for it. Nicely done.

MB said...

elias - I forgot about Locke getting dragged into the hole (snicker) - good one. That might jibe with the idea of subterranean others. Maybe that's where the box is?

memphish said...

If it wasn't a con, I don't get why Juliet kept the handcuffs on until they reached the fence and were being chased by Smokey. The I didn't want Kate to leave me behind doesn't work for me. Birthday present for Palmer? That's really the most logical explanation.

Going round and round it's hard to say what I think now. I want to think Juliet is a hard-hearted stone-cold Other who would sell out Jack and anybody else for her own agenda, but I can't figure out what exactly that agenda is. But for now, that's just what I'm going to believe, and I'm putting all my eggs in the Sayid is going to get tons of info. out of her and then kill her basket. I wish it were my birthday next week so TPTB would grant me my wish.

Holli

Stephanie said...

For the record, I love Tyra but hate daytime tv, therefore don't watch the talkshow. Hasn't she gotten the memo that says Rachael Ray is Oprah's heir.

MB said...

Does Rachel Ray have a talk show now too? She is a busy lady.

Jordan said...

I've said this a few times already, but it doesn't hurt to repeat myself. The reason I am leaning towards Juliet not having evil intentions is because it just seems too obvious. And this show is all about deception and red herrings. With how this episode ended, they might as well put text on the screen that says, "Uh oh. Is Juliet to be trusted?" And for me, in a show like this if a mystery is so obvious that everybody and their grandma picks up on it right away, it's probably not what it seems. I think Ben has a plan in play with her on the beach, but that she isn't aware.

elias said...

Juliet has no loyalty to the Others since they outcast her. I don't buy the big con to infiltrate her into the Losties - too complicated.

She wants Jack as an ally against Sayid, Jin, etc. We also know what Juliet thinks of Jack when voyeuristic Paolo was spying seedily on her and Ben.

If I'm wrong please forget you ever read this.

memphish said...

If she's such an outcast, why did she have handcuff keys? That to me screams I'm still one of them.

I agree that for the most part LOST is nothing but a bunch of twists, but this season has been a bit of a dumbed down version of the series. There's an x-ray of a 40-something with a tumor. Yes it's Ben. Eko is booked on Regis and Kelly and someone's supposed to die. Yes it's Eko. Kate never even sees Jack until 5 1/2 episodes in and on the other side of a glass wall, but we need to sex things up so she sleeps with Sawyer. Shocker. Nikki and Paolo are buried alive. Guess what they're really dead.

My point, this season things for the most part are exactly what they seem to be. The exception--Locke who wasn't quite the doofus he seemed to be at the end of Enter 77, but now he's one of them.

So is Juliet still one of them. I vote yes. And what's with this, if I tell you they'll kill me crap. How are they going to know and why go over to the Losties anyway if the only reason the Losties would take you would lead to your death.

Thus ends my LOST-related rant.

Holli

Jordan said...

I had to switch my avatar back as I just read that Will Arnett is going to be on 30 Rock tonight. Woot!

Anonymous said...

I'm going back and forth whether Juliet is still one of them. I'm thinking that if she is, then she's reluctant to be.

April

PalmerEldritch said...

What? No Dharma Cigarettes on the Island?

Well, powers back on after a nice little 17 hours of being Amish. Ugh... But now we have heat again!

Man, I missed blogspot interaction with KIM?! :(

Office time, bitches!

Anonymous said...

hello. long time listener, first time poster. just found your sites. i have to say that ralf and ben look way nerdier than i pictured them and the lost initiative girls are much cuter than i expected. sorry girls, but ladies who do podcasts arent usualy much to look at. nice to see that i was wrong. now i can visualize you guys when i listen to your podcasts when im on the toilet.

PalmerEldritch said...

WAS THAT PAOLO WHO JUST POSTED ANONYMOUSLY?!

PalmerEldritch said...

i missed the first two minutes of The Office. but while myself and fifty one thousand of my closest friends were without power today, i was able to channel the power of Aimee and read one hundred seventy pages of a Jim Butcher novel.

aimee, you are my reading idol.

Stephanie said...

palmer, I'm sorry you missed the best part. Dwight deservs a round of applause.
"I accidentally cross-dressed today." Comic gold!

Stephanie said...

Holli, I wonder if the network is urging the writers to dumb it down a little for the casual viewers. I'll add a couple more examples. Christian being Claire's father and Charlie's death- yes, I've come to the conclusion that the writers could actually do it. Are we going to cause blogger to implode with all these posts?

PalmerEldritch said...

steph, you're not half as sorry as i am that we missed the first two minutes. i did see the cross dressing part though. heheheheh. but the DVR was freaking out.

i think it'll be hard to figure out why the smoke munster (yeah, i like the U) can't jump over the fence until we know more about it. but it does seem strange that it floats along chasing people and can lift it's "head" six feet into the air but it can't hop, skip, and jump over an eight foot fence. nice to think that the smoke munster has an invisible fence though. wonder if he's house broken.

i thought that the "everyone wants you to be the leader" thing with sawyer came out of nowhere. putting the asshole who stole all the guns and hordes all the stuff in charge seems like a crappy idea.

and i don't blame Sun for being pissed off at Sawyer. that jerk masterminded her abduction. she thought she was going to die. and it put the fear of god into everyone on the beach. all so he could steal all the guns and lord over them all.

sure, the audience likes sawyer. but if i lived on that island, i'd be pretty pissed at him.

and the dude did NOT shoot that pig. desmond did and he has shoulders, ladies. and no coconut head.

memphish said...

Steph and Others, There's already a new OLP out.

Holli

B. Linus said...

Chris seems to be on top of things at the olp lately. maybe cuselhoff's coments about him a couple weeks ago lit a fire under his ass.

B. Linus said...

just watched left behind again and i swear i saw jules putting on a gas mask with all the others. her baby blue sweater and blonde hair are pretty distinctive.

PalmerEldritch said...

kim, i'm watching that BSGcast thing. i tracked it down since you mentioned it. um... yeah. it reinforces my appreciation for you and aimee, and boner and rolph. your conversations flow a lot better and seem a lot more natural than other podcasts out there. not to mention that you guys (and gals) are much more entertaining.

and if you ever do a vidcast, NEVER do one with such a cheesy CGI set.

/and, now, let's never watch the BSGcast again :)

mb said...

I cannot believe this but I still can't get rump-shaker out of my head.

This is so like a million threads ago, but I was watching the begining to Exposé again and I can totally hear rump-shaker in Giacchino's arrangement.

Anonymous said...

Hey b. linus, it's a good thing that Rolf and Ben didn't light a fire under Ryan's ass during their last podcast.

Anonymous said...

Oh! and I almost forgot, Dwight Schrute is the fucking man! Rockin' the pepper spray, and giving a shout out to Hiro on Heroes in the same episode!

Anonymous said...

b. linus - i thought i saw Juliet too and the screen caps from lost-eastereggs confirmed a blonde with a baby blue shirt.

with the munster vs the sound-fence - it is invisible so it's reasonable for the munster to run into it the first time. perhaps we're anthropomorphising the munster too much. maybe it's more like it's 3-headed dog counterpart than we like to think.

it's funny that they're posting the official podcast so early these days. this week i kept checking on tuesday because i forgot they'd already released it.
(hmmm. it's not actually in iTunes yet)

i was misinformed about the new Sopranos being on On-Demand. i did watch the last episode again to refresh though. It was a much better episode than i remember it being. Such a great show. Personally, i hope they knock it out of the park this mini-season and then put it to rest. I don't want to see Sopranos movies or anything like that.

andrew.

B. Linus said...

i knew it was her. juliet is shady as hell. (i definately sense a theme for the next tli playlist) can't wait for sayid to lay into her. you think smokey was after her eko style, or was it kate. sure looked like it smelled blood when it ran into that fence, and i still maintain that those flashes were directed at jules, not kate. speaking of flashes, next week is a juliet fb. hope its an on island fb. some insight on the others perhaps. prolly just wishful thinking.

Anonymous said...

b.linus,

WHen I watched it, I totally had a gut feeling that Smukey was gonna lay the smack down on Kate, Eko style. But at the same time I was thinking, No way would they kill off Kate without even so much as a hint of a spoiler THAT big out there.

p.s. You said you can't wait for Sayid to "lay into" Juliet. Anyone else for a Julyid? Sayiet? How would you even pronounce that?

Jordan said...

Ok, I know this is a Lost blogspot. But I also know that a few of you appreciate the awesomeness that is The Office. I just finished watching the new ep.

Dwight is the man! Bow down! Angela was hilarious with her getting off on the Dwight hero stories. Can the Jim and Pam stuff get any better? Jim saying, "You and Roy will find a way back to each other somehow." OUCH! Michael was hilarious. The womens suit. Hahaha! Ryan and Kelly cracked me up as well. Usher Jennifer Hudson Kapur. HAHAHAHA! This show was just too good.

Anonymous said...

hey guys, sorry to intereupt the lost talk but I thought I would just let you all know I heard back from the red sox, they said 87 people applied, 14 were called back for an interview (me being one of the 14) and they only picked 4 interns. I didnt get the job because I am a freshmen. but they said my portfolio was outstanding for my age and are keeping it and want me to reapply next year.

I am dissapointed

- Casey D, still unable to sign in and too lazy to make a new account

Jordan said...

Casey bro, don't let that get you down. If anything that is reason to celebrate! Pretty nice comments if I say so myself. Just stay positive and keep gunning for what you want.

Back to The Office talk real quick. Did anybody watch the after the episode, before the credits stuff? Three words. ANDY IS BACK!!! Hells yeah!

mb said...

Casey - it sounds like it was pretty competitive, so I definitely don't think you should beat yourself up, especially if they said yourportfolio was outstanding - the ad and media people I've had experience with generally don't go out of their way to use words like that unless they mean it.

Andrew & b.linus,
I just framed through the scene with the others packing up and I do not think it was Juliet in that group - that woman had a different tighter shirt on and shorter hair than Juliet (unless the continuity people just let it slide). Not saying it DEFINITELY wasn't supposed to be her, but the continuity is off.

Anonymous said...

Casey, sorry to hear that. But congrats on getting the interview.

I've applied to about a number of jobs where I've been turned down because of age and lack of experience. And some pretty awesome jobs at that. :( It sucks. I totally feel for you. How are you supposed to get the experience you need when no one will hire you because you don't have any? Story of my life (so far).

As I've been told, your time will come.

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