Wednesday, April 18, 2007

3x17 Catch-22 – PRE Episode Discussion


Post your theories and predictions for tonight’s episode here!

*Spoiler Free Zone!*

110 comments:

aimee in little rock said...

I'm stealing first since I've been AWOL for the last few days. I wouldn't normally do that when I post the thread. I've been actually doing work and stuff!

But hey, it's Lostnesday...fuck work!

stephsmith said...

I have that DVD. Somewhere.

aimee in little rock said...

I've never seen it. They just didn't have episode promotional photos (again), so I looked for a cool photo of Cusick to use, and liked this one. I can't use any of his short hair pictures; he looks so odd in them.

aimee in little rock said...

Who wants to place bets that Charlie will die tonight? I'll say 2 to 1 odds.

aimee in little rock said...

No, 3 to 1. I'm spoiler free, so I really have no idea here.

stephsmith said...

Naw, not in a Desmond episode. It could be the beginning of the end for him tonight.

aimee in little rock said...

But maybe that's the whole point. We've come to expect a character's death to occur during one of their flashback episodes, so it's become predictable, and the writers know this now. What makes you think they wouldn't change things on us now?

aimee in little rock said...

We have to always "think outside the magic box", once a pattern has been established.

Michael said...

On the Official podcast they were droping hints about the Death of charlie. Compairing it to when boone died in the season. I think there might be a charlie episode later in the season though. Although a lot of whos flashback is when has been wrong. I am saying he will be alive a few more shows.

So there is a lot of Save our Show talk out there. What shows do you want to see next year? or should i ask this question over the weekend? since its Lostnesday... I want to see Veronica Mars and How i Met your Mother Back!

aimee in little rock said...

What shows are in jeopardy?

As long as my Thursday night comedy block, Heroes, and Lost are all safe, I'll be sound as a pound.

Michael said...

Why the crud is it only saying Michael now. I want my picture to show :(

Michael said...

Scrubs is on the cutting block. There is talk that ABC wants it. That sounds weird to me.

stephsmith said...

I love HIMYM. Barney is The
Man.
It would be a travesty is Friday Night Lights wasn't renewed.
I don't watch Veronica Mars but did I hear they may jump ahead a few years for next season? That sounds interesting.

JonJon said...

I always knew Desmond had to be Jesus. I mean look at him!

JonJon said...

As for tonight's episode I really hope I can tune in to see it, because I will be performing in a concert that may go into Lost time. This must not happen!

Michael said...

I know this is so last thred but i really wanted in...

1)Brian Wilson - Barenaked Ladies - Gordon

2) What I Didn't Expect Was The Physical Examinations. - Max Brooks - World War Z(disk 1) - I have a lot of audiobook for when i drive a lot.

3) First Date - Blink 182 - Take off you Coat and Jacket - Love them when i was in high school.

4) Sample in a Jar - Phish - Hoist - Nothing wrong with a little jam

5) Trouble - Dave Matthews - Some Devil - Off his solo album. Seeing him and Tim Reynolds on friday. Can't Wait!!!

6) Butterfly - Weezer - Pinkerton

7) Traffic in the Sky - Jack Johnson - On and On

8) Ghost Train - Counting Crows - August and Everything After

9) Faker - Moe. - Dither

10) Truckin' - The Greatful Dead - Skeletons From The Closet

Sorry if i bored anyone

PalmerEldritch said...

the return of Aimee! love it. glad to have you back.

i don't think that Charlie will die but maybe he'll get injured and will slowly die over a couple of episodes? that'd be sweet. do we know if Charlie will actually die? maybe he'll stick around. maybe he'll make it off the island and tour Finland (again).

where're Holli and her superhero name generator?

michael, enjoy the concert.

memphish said...

Sorry for the screw up on the last thread. The ether got to me. Here's the Superhero Generator I hope.

Silver Dancer accompanied by Caruthers in my new Avatar
Shh, it's really Holli

memphish said...

I hate to post and run, but I must. Caruthers and I are heading out in our nuclear jet (which given the price of gas is a damn site better than my actual car). My string snow suit is at the cleaners. It's too hot in Memphis for it today. Caruthers has found alternate outfitting for us though (think Blades of Glory). Have faith that when I return Marvin the Unspeakable (crap I spoke him) will be vanquished with my psychotronic spear and lighting bolts from my carbine. Get the spaghetti ready for my celebratory feast.

Silver Dancer

PalmerEldritch said...

Name: Captain Cat
Special Power: Psionic Stick
Transportation: Turbo Rocket
Weapon: Electron Cannon
Costume: Bulletproof Shorts
Sidekick: Bud
Nemesis: Jasmine the Ugly
Tragic Flaw: Addicted to squash
Favorite Food: Chow Mein

Psionic "Stick?" Turbo "Rocket?" Electron "Canon?" Bulletproof Shorts?! Am I a superhero or a pornstar?

I do like Squash though. The food, not the sport. Much too lazy for the sport.

- Captain Cat, The Amazing Suggestive Superhero

stephsmith said...

Name: Golden Girl
Secret Identity: Stephanie Smith
Special Power: Psychotronic Force
Transportation: Turbo Bicycle
Weapon: Ice Carbine
Costume: Fibersteel Mask
Sidekick: Merry
Nemesis: Nancy the Ripper
Tragic Flaw: Fear of spiders
Favorite Food: Ritz Crackers
I do like Ritz crackers on my chicken casserole.

t-dot kim said...

Jordan, I agree... Desmond looks like Jesus

t-dot kim said...

Casey, Mike...
Jay 2, BoSox 1. I predict when you're finished with the broom from Ralph and Ben you you'll be handing it over to me

aimee in little rock said...

Name: Lady Gal
Secret Identity: Aimee Partido
Special Power: Electric Blast
Transportation: Quantum Plane
Weapon: Neutron Pistol
Costume: Fibersteel Helmet
Sidekick: Caruthers
Nemesis: Harold the Puzzler
Tragic Flaw: Addicted to garlic
Favorite Food: Strawberries

Anonymous said...

Apparently all of the crackpots are right, Locke didn't blow up the submarine. I stole that shit so that Dumbo and I would have a sweet superhero ride. Also, i'm glad my weapon and costume aren't reversed.

Name: Sergeant Man
Secret Identity: Andrew ******
Special Power: Kinetic Stick
Transportation: Quantum Submarine
Weapon: Ion Sling
Costume: Electric Suit
Sidekick: Dumbo
Nemesis: Arnold the Puzzler
Tragic Flaw: Big nose
Favorite Food: Salad

Quick everyone! to the Hall Of Procrastination! Blogspotters assemble!

andrew.

Ralph- said...

Name: Ice Cat
Secret Identity: ralph Apel
Special Power: Freezing Ears
Transportation: Turbo Skateboard
Weapon: Psionic Spray
Costume: Hardened Leotard
Sidekick: the Professor
Nemesis: Jack the Ripper
Tragic Flaw: Addicted to corn dogs
Favorite Food: Chocolate


Aimee, i totally thought that this was a pic from the episode and just about shit myself. i am glad that it is not. but it would have been cool to see desmond mistaken for a messiah when he flashed back.

apPaullo said...

I was just thinking of the post-coital ice cream scene from last week.

How the fuck did they get ice cream on the island? Wouldn't it melt on the way down from the palette drop? Unless ol' Patchy was making it over at McDarhma Farm between brewing pitchers of ice tea.

I could see the Ben flaskback now; he's sitting on the porch with Juliette at night, and suddenly BOOM! and the exlposion is visible in the distance. He turns to Juliette and says "Shit. no more ice cream."

Benjamin said...

"What shall we do with this Desmond of Nazareth?"

Fired up on tonight's episode, guys. I don't have much to say now, but I'll be too busy to say anything later so I thought I'd at least post something.

elias said...
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aimee in little rock said...

I'm sorry. I couldn't hear anything you just said. I was too busy picturing Ralph in a hardened leotard.

apPaullo said...

Name: Ice Brother
Secret Identity: Paul Curtis
Special Power: Invisibility
Transportation: Magnetic Skateboard
Weapon: Lightning Flare
Costume: Leather Overalls
Sidekick: Dumbo
Nemesis: Melvin the Crafty
Tragic Flaw: Claustrophobia
Favorite Food: Pie

Ralph- said...

Elias. My Ice Ears will put out your Blazing Ears!

elias said...
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PalmerEldritch said...

Stop it, guys. You're both Superheroes. Stop fighting or Captain Cat and his Bulletproof Shorts will threaten to use his Psionic Stick on you. Don't make him take you for a ride on his Turbo Rocket.

/Bud, ready my Electron Cannon!

morgan said...

Name: Demon Man
Secret Identity: It's a secret!
Special Power: Mystical Enigma
Transportation: Magnetic Rollerblades
Weapon: Ice Gun
Costume: Carbonite Boots
Sidekick: Bufurt
Nemesis: Tim the Nasty
Tragic Flaw: Claustrophobia
Favorite Food: Green Beans

I love my magnetic rollerblades!

Trevor McFur said...

Name: Scary Man
Special Power: Electric Stick
Transportation: Wonder Horse
Weapon: Electron Rifle
Costume: Alligator Helmet
Sidekick: Merry
Nemesis: Jasmine the Assassin
Tragic Flaw: Addicted to garlic
Favorite Food: Cheese

I do like cheesy garlic. I'm not sure about a Hobbit sidekick, though, especially one that looks like Charlie. As for the Electron Stick ... there's a reason that my wife said yes when I asked her to marry me!

elias said...

addicted to squash is a great tragic flaw.

PalmerEldritch said...

Orange pee from too much butternut squash. Captain Cat lives in shame.

Anonymous said...

Usually I don't post this kind of stuff, but since I'm a meteorologist, it seemed appropriate.

BTW thanks for the shout out on the podcast ladies of lost. Our daughter, Lili Claire (2 lost references although it wasn't planned that way) is doing great.

Name: Storm Boy
Secret Identity: Jason
Special Power: Electric Pinch
Transportation: Nuclear Scooter
Weapon: Psionic Lasso
Costume: Chain Cowl
Sidekick: the Professor
Nemesis: John the Evil
Tragic Flaw: Clumsiness
Favorite Food: Banana Cream Pie

Jason in Mississippi

Michael said...

Kim that joke is too soon. The wounds are still fresh from coming in third last season to your second place Jays. Serously though if the Sox get swept by the T-Dot Jays i will have to cry alone in the corner while your words of pain echo in my mind.

memphish said...

Silver Dancer has returned. Marvin is now speakable. What's the deal with Aimee stealing my sidekick, Caruthers. I guess he's into blondes. Could Caruthers be Goodwin?

Is there anything non-spoilery about the episode we could make predictions about? I'm tired of spaghetti now. I wish my favorite food were pie.

Silver Dancer
(Holli, but don't tell anyone or I'll have to shoot you lightning.)

trevor mcfur said...

John the Evil sounds like a dastardly nemesis.

MB said...

So I guess Morgan and I share the same transport AND similar sounding voices - Melvin and Tim are toast baby...

Name: Captain Snake
Secret Identity: MBW (RULE #1: true superheroes do NOT reveal their secret ID - for god's sake man!)
Special Power: Twisting Toes
Transportation: Magnetic Rollerblades
Weapon: Psionic Cutlass
Costume: Leather Shorts
Sidekick: Mary Anne
Nemesis: Melvin the Crafty
Tragic Flaw: Addicted to Snapple
Favorite Food: Twinkies

I wonder if Mary Anne and Bufurt bitch about our Snapple and Garlic addictions behind our backs.

Snapple and Garlic, wow - that's quite a combo. But hey, at least I know Demon Man isn't a vampire.

trevor mcfur said...

Lether shorts and magnetic rollerblades? Change those to rollerskates mb and you could start a superhero team and call them The Village People.

Michael said...

Name: Ice Ox
Secret Identity: mike campbell
Special Power: Lightning Lips
Transportation: Quantum Plane
Weapon: Meson Blade
Costume: Bulletproof Mask
Sidekick: Samwise
Nemesis: Jasmine the Riddler
Tragic Flaw: Fear of rodents
Favorite Food: Melon

Yes i have a sweet ride. Sam beckett style :)

PalmerEldritch said...

dude... you get the Dr. Sam Beckett plane AND sean astin as your sidekick? no fair. that guy was in The Goonies!

t-dot kim said...

Mike...

I know I may be speaking too soon, but in honour of this weeks Desmond-centric episode, I had 'flashes before my eyes'

I'm excited about tonight's episode--but aren't we all??

MB said...

Trevor - that's really good. Our collective superpower can be to merge and trasform into anything (like the team on Freakshow) by performing a simultaneous backward and forward grapevine followed by a Barrel Roll while singing "Macho Man".

Now, to the Justice Hall! We must plan....

t-dot kim said...

for today I'm:
Name: Golden Flame
Special Power: Electric Breath
Transportation: Electric Tricycle
Weapon: Graviton Spear
Costume: Carbonite Cowl
Sidekick: Dumbo
Nemesis: Marvin the Ripper
Tragic Flaw: Fear of flying
Favorite Food: Twinkies

...I don't like it

stephsmith said...

How is the title going to factor into the episode? Catch 22. Desmond has to decide between saving Charlie's life and trying to get them rescued?

PalmerEldritch said...

kim, i was really hoping your mode of transportation would be a helicopter.

PalmerEldritch said...

steph, is the catch 22 referring to the flashback maybe? prolly the island story but maybe even both.

they should've named the episode Catch 23 so we know it's one better than the normal type.

/this one goes to 11

MB said...

Kim,
I am way psyched for tonight's ep. - I wish I could say why. I'll post at the spoiler blog - don't want to mess anyone up (who doesn't want to be messed up.

trevor mcfur said...

Kim--

Electric Breath is never a good thing. And do you really need an Electric Tricycle when you can just hop on top of Dumbo and fly wherever you need to go?

Jordan from the 206 said...

Name: Black Person
Secret Identity: Jordan from the 206
Special Power: Blazing Enigma
Transportation: Electric Motorcycle
Weapon: Ice Rifle
Costume: Hardened Underwear
Sidekick: Samwise
Nemesis: Ming the Ripper
Tragic Flaw: Narcolepsy
Favorite Food: Sardines

Black Person? What the hell kind of super hero name is that?

There's no need to fear! Here's a black guy on a motorcylce! And not just that, he's wearing hardened underwear and has a hobbit with him! Let's just hope he doesn't fall asleep while fighting that damn Ming the Ripper or we are all doomed!

MB said...

Kim -
I've got some Twinkies back at the village people justice hall I'll share - just join with us, we could work a tricycle into the grapevine morph somehow, and that graviton spear would be kickass to have on our side.

apPaullo said...

How can Kim and I have the same sidekick? Do we each get an ear?

aimee in little rock said...

Catch-22 is probably going to end up being some kind of reference to the futility of Desmond's efforts in trying to save Charlie, right?

In a "Catch-22", one condition cannot exist without another. So presumably in this episode, we could see a general situation in which Desmond has to accomplish two things (like save Charlie but also save himself), both of which are dependent on the completion of the other. (Because Charlie can't be saved without Desmond being alive to save him.)

PalmerEldritch said...

"It's Charlie or the Dharma Beer, brothah. I've seen it. And, let's face it, if we're stuck on this island, we need the beer!"

t-dot kim said...

...like I said, I hate my super alter ego :(

Appaullo we can share Dumbo.

I honestly have no idea of what may happen in tonight's episode. I don't even have any predictions... I'm am giddy with anticipation though

casey_donahue said...

Name: Blue Lad
Secret Identity: Casey Donahue
Special Power: Walk through walls
Transportation: Turbo Chopper
Weapon: Flame Grenade
Costume: Hardened Cape
Sidekick: Caruthers
Nemesis: Marvin the Evil
Tragic Flaw: Addicted to sugar
Favorite Food: Sardines

the funny thing is, Caruthers is my actual sidekick

I like the name "Blue Lad"

PalmerEldritch said...

casey, i like that you have an "actual sidekick." that's pretty badass.

apPaullo said...

Kim, you can have him Mon-Wed-Fri, I'll take Tues-Thur-Sat and we'll flip a coin for Sunday.

Not to worry, you can always be a different superheroine tomorrow!

I'm sad that nobody thought my earlier ice cream observation was humorous...

aimee in little rock said...

Chile Biscuit is my actual sidekick (she mostly just growls when an enemy approaches me, giving me a chance to whip out my Neutron Pistol), so you can have Caruthers.

Anonymous said...

preparing myself to be let down by tonight's episode. Desmond is probably my favorite character but, as i said after last week, i'm just not in the mood to deal with his precognition or Penny stuff.
Those are huge story ideas and I have this suspicion that they're going to do them disjustice, trying to cram a lot into his flashback episode just because its his flashback and they don't have any other place to deal with them.

I would prefer they spent this episode killing Charlie and letting everybody on the beach slap some sense into Jack.

andrew.

memphish said...

I've found Jacob.

Silver Dancer
with Caruthers who's really getting his ass around.

memphish said...

I also volunteer to slap Jack as Andrew suggests.

Holli

Colin said...

Name: Captain Man
Secret Identity: Colin
Special Power: Mystical Tentacles
Transportation: Electric Chopper
Weapon: Graviton Spear
Costume: Bulletproof Cowl
Sidekick: Black Dan
Nemesis: John the Ugly
Tragic Flaw: Fear of commitment
Favorite Food: Ritz Crackers

Since my costume is a bulletproof cowl, is that all I wear? I mean, really, just a cowl?

memphish said...

Well Colin, between that cowl and those tentacles what more do you want?

Silver Dancer, wearing a string snow suit

Colin said...

I want some ritz crackers, that's what I want.

A string snowsuit. Awesome.

MB said...

Appaulo,
I loved your "no more ice cream" scenario, mainly because I could totally hear Ben's voice saying those words.

Also, don't worry if a comment doesn't get a direct response - people often just laugh to themselves without posting a comment (I know I do).

Malcolm said...

who are those guys in the background in that picture?

MB said...

Colin,
I'll trade you two twinkies for a sleeve of Ritz....

(it's the superhero lunchroom)

B. Linus said...

one day, my side kick pollonius and i, i'm the red wolf, were sitting around eating my favorite food, strawberries. the phone rang. my nemesis, ming the crafty, was up to no good again. so i strapped on my leopard skin gauntlets, and grabbed my trusty flame bolt, and pollonius and i headed off in the quantum train to save the day yet again from the evil ming the crafty.

when pollonius and i found ming the crafty, he was attempting to steal spoilers from the top secert lost hatch. i used my psychotronic force to knock him out and save the world from finding out too soon exactly when charlie is gonna die. the red wolf saves another episode of lost. yeah!

~the red wolf

apPaullo said...

Thanks MB; it's good to know that Juliette doesn't need to be wined and dined; you just have to show up with a pint of Ben & Jerry's or Haagen-Dazs.

B. Linus said...

what? no mid-week jimmy? has the whole world gone mad? i'm sure there is a good reason, but i gotta admit, i'm a tad bit bummed. guess i'll just wait then.

gotta say, i'm excited for tonight. should be fun.

MB said...

For anyone who's interested, Doc Jensen @EW.com has some Desmond (and more) theorizing

I think someone may have posted this link earlier - but I wasn't sure.

elias said...

Midweek Jimmy late.

memphish said...

MB, It was accidentally posted when I tried to generate my superhero identity. There are spoilers for tonight. Be warned.

Silver Dancer

elias said...

can anyone explain the ending of 12 Monkeys to me? Is that future scientist lady working with ginger Morse?

MB said...

Thanks Holli - my apologies if I was not clear - there ARE spoilers in that article.

MB said...

Appaulo -
RE: Juliet and ice cream -
That wouldn't be a bad poll - is she a B&J or Haagen Dazs kind of woman.

What's the difference you ask? I would posit that B&J eaters are more comfortable with 'alternative' or even radical ideologies, even if they do not always live them, and can even embrace B&J's "Hippie" image at times, whereas Haagen Dasz eaters are driven, more career oriented, and need the sweet release that only a pint of swiss almond fudge can bring. Juliet is a career woman who departed on a pretty fucking radical life/career change. So what does she choose from the freezer?

I did not know I could blow that much smoke out of my ass - sorry folks

apPaullo said...

I don't kind what kind of ice cream she eats so long as it's MY ice cream.

stephsmith said...

paul, I, too, enjoyed the ice cream scenario.:)
jordon, I'm afraid we got our flaws mixed up. I just slept for two hours and am still droggy.
malcolm, it's his disciples. Or the followers of John the Baptist.

apPaullo said...

I don't CARE what kind of ice cream she eats so long as it's MY ice cream.

Jordan from the 206 said...

Steph, It's JordAn, not JordOn! HUGE difference! Seriously! lol. I'm just messing. A guy I work with always spells it with an O even though I've told him it's an A a couple times now. It's all good. Just whatever you do, don't call me Jordy. hahaha.

memphish said...

JordOn sounds like a personal problem.

Holli

Jordan from the 206 said...

Or some kind of pharmaceutical drug.

memphish said...

How far in advance could you take JordOn? Would it be a problem if your pesky kids and grandkids showed up right after you took JordOn? That's my favorite of those Cialis commercials. Beat it kids. Grandma and Grandpa are horny.

Holli

Jordan from the 206 said...

lol. Old people doing it. Yuck.

stephsmith said...

jordan, how long have I been doing that? Always? Sorry. Jordan.
On of Us precedes Catch 22 tonight.
Good thing since someone erased last week's from my DVR before I could put it on a disc.

Jordan from the 206 said...

You've been doing it for a long time Steph. And each time, I died a little inside. No, again I am only fooling. You can call me whatever you like. :)

And I must say, that this board just isn't the same without Aimee around. Great having you back!

BTW Aim, I'm sure by now you've finished "If Chins Could Kill". Curious as to what you thought.

MB said...

Thanks for the reminder Steph -maybe I'l have time to watch part of it (to ramp up to C22)

There are people watching it right now - damn!

PalmerEldritch said...

JordOn! Apply directly to the Jord.
JordOn! Apply directly to the Jord.

/headon commercials suck

stephsmith said...

Are those the ads that have actual customer comments saying I hate your commercials but I love your product? What balls.
I always think of
Ask A Ninja DVD, Apply Directly to Your Brain. Ask A Ninja DVD, Apply Directly to Your Brain
Jodan, I just saw that Will Arnett is in Let's Go To Prison. I may have to check it out. Is it watchable?

PalmerEldritch said...

we must get to 108 before the show, damnit. get to it. superheroes, meet me in this thread. now!

- captain cat of the bulletproof shorts

MB said...

97

MB said...

go blog go...

PalmerEldritch said...

oooooh! new jimmy podcast. sweetness.

PalmerEldritch said...

i am posting in three threads (including the Dharmalars). i am one wild and crazy guy.

PalmerEldritch said...

aimee, i don't think that charlie will die tonight. what should we bet (as per your earlier comment)?

Jordan from the 206 said...

MB & Palmer singlehandedly trying to reach the kablammo. Hats off to you two fine beings.

Kelly said...

I don't think it's quite yet the time for Charlie's death. I expect a little later in the season, possibly the finale.

Name: Storm Sister
Special Power: Psionic Gaze
Transportation: Quantum Jet
Weapon: Ultra Bolt
Costume: Fibersteel Nightgown
Sidekick: Dumbo
Nemesis: Jack the Mad
Tragic Flaw: Addicted to garlic
Favorite Food: Cake

It seems as though a few people ended up with Dumbo as a sidekick.

Jordan from the 206 said...

I guess I'll do my part to keep this going.

Steph, I haven't seen "Let's Go to Prison". And for as much as I am a fan of Arnett, I'm not sure if it's too good. It seems from the previews that he plays a bit of a straight man, and that's not him at all! He's at his best when he's wacky and wild. I'll probably check it out at some point though.

Jordan from the 206 said...

That Dumbo is one slutty sidekick.

PalmerEldritch said...

just a few posts away! go, team, go!

PalmerEldritch said...

someone kablamonate this MotherOther.

Jordan from the 206 said...

KABLAMMO!

Boo ya.

PalmerEldritch said...

now, i can enjoy the upcoming LOST episode without having to worry about the kablamo.

thank you, jordan. thordan!

Wesh said...

Hiii :)

Lost day today for me :) Well tonight actually. Can't wait! Didnt know it was bout Desmundo, so thanks for spoiling that for me, blogspot!!! arrrr!!
(j/k ^__-)

Here's my late superhero id:

Name: Scary Snake
Special Power: Twisting Hands
Transportation: Quantum Car
Weapon: Gamma Lasso
Costume: Electric Boots
Sidekick: Igor
Nemesis: Tim the Deadly
Tragic Flaw: Addicted to love
Favorite Food: Cashews

See yall later in the episode thread.