Wednesday, May 16, 2007

3x21 Greatest Hits - Episode Discussion


Will he or won't he? - Post your thoughts on tonight’s episode here!

*Spoiler Warning!*

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memphish said...

If he does, he won't be as cool as the neck in the arrow--or will it?

Holli

aimee in little rock said...
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aimee in little rock said...

What's cooler than an arrow in the neck?

memphish said...

Having a guy reach through your head, remove your brain and squeeze it until you die was IMHO.

Holli

aimee in little rock said...

You're right. Someone else just posted another thread. Ralph asked me to post it, so I don't know who did it.

t-dot kim said...

Aimee, it was me... he asked me to do it too, but you did it a few minutes before

casey_donahue said...

im really excited for this one, I am even more excited for the next one

and mb, I do edit in final cut, that thing took longer than I wished it would have taken to cut

part 2 is going to be really cool...

Ralph- said...

if charlie dies, i hope that they explain why charlie had the visions in "Fire + Water". i also hope that they show that charlie also got special abilities in the Hatch Implosion.

Aimee. Thank you so much. it was a rough day. i think that if charlie does die, that it is for a good cause. i will cry if charlie dies. i cried when charlie was hung from the tree. pretty emotional day, i am sure i will have some issues fighting back tears tonight regardless. I remember in "trisha tanaka" when hurley and charlie popped the clutch and the look of happiness on their faces when the van started, such a great emotional moment.

memphish said...

Can you vote Maroon 5 off AI? That lead singer sounds terrible.

Holli

casey_donahue said...

I cant wait for sayid to tackle carl

stephsmith said...

Go Blake, even he doesn't have a snowball's chance.
Kimberley, I'm very disappointed in Tyra's decision.
6 minutes. Sorry Charlie.

casey_donahue said...

i just realized that juliette got the tape on the wrong day, remember last week when ben made a big deal about how richard should have put the tape back the day BEFORE he did?

jack thinks the others are coming tomorrow night, when they are actually coming tonight

thats my last minute prediction

trevor mcfur said...

Charlie ain't going to die, because Claire can't be rescued, because the show still has 3 years to go.

And I thought that Charlie couldn't swim?

casey_donahue said...

so far, this is the saddest episode of lost ever

Lost Boys said...

I watched the episode already its pretty awesome

Kris

trevor mcfur said...

Uh-oh, it just got a little dust in my eyes when Charlie hugged Hurley goodbye.

Lost Boys said...

i know right your to big for the boat

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Mike Campbell said...

I didn't know Aimee and Kim were Down in the Hatch. Thats Crazy :)

memphish said...

How can Charlie swim all of a sudden? Seriously! And that was Nadia he saved right? Are they going multiple timelines? We didn't see Desmond when Charlie was singing Wonderwall in the rain. Of course, he probably sang Wonderwall in the rain a lot.

Holli

Kelly Stewart said...

Charlie says his goodbyes to Claire and Aaron, I got nothing. Charlie says goodbye to Hurley, tears streaming down my face.

JonJon said...

That was a great episode, and a wonderful lead into the season ender

Lost Boys said...

I thought the girls down in the hatch where the girls from the second row

Kris

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memphish said...

Liam should have just said Ho! Ho! when he found Charlie there in Helsinki.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

best line of the night:

"are you havin' a laugh?!" ala Extras

too bad the girlfriend had no idea why i was cracking up. :)

i also freaked out for the underwater hatch. good ol' Jack Glatfelter.

memphish said...

Palmer, I thought the same think about Handsome Jack. He's vindicated at last. Too bad he didn't know about the chicks with guns in it.

Holli

stephsmith said...

1)Charlie/Dom writes funny.
2)Cutest Baby Aaron ever.
3)Can Claire go one solitary episode without yelling at Charlie?
4)Why did the writers have to give the ring another backstory other than the band, Drive Shaft?
5)Who did he say DS stood for?
6)God, I love that little hobbitt.
7)Wow, he didn't die! Aimee was right.
8)Who was Jack taking to in Next Week On Lost?
9)Sayid bound? Oh, shit. We're in trouble.
10)Ok, I only cried the entire second half.

Lost Boys said...

Yeah I Got the reference to Extras as well back in i think season 1 or 2 the one where chare goes to work for the paper company there is a reference to the office

PalmerEldritch said...

how freakin' fantastic was it that his number four memory was getting THE RING?!

that bastardly little hobbit.

stephsmith said...

On number 8, I meant talking to.

trevor mcfur said...

Holli, I said the exact same thing about the two 'hos.

aimee in little rock said...

Holli, when Charlie lived the memory, Desmond was never there. The time we saw (in Flashes Before Your Eyes) it was the "second" time Desmond had lived that period in his life. So technically speaking, Desmond met Charlie pre-island, but Charlie never met Desmond pre-island. Get it?

That was sooo me and Kim in the Looking Glass station. I didn't want to spoil the surprise for everyone.

I cried like a freaking baby tonight, and I'm exhausted. Craig called it though; he said Charlie wouldn't die tonight, but that he would next week. So far he's half right.

Is it just me, or am I getting a creepy brother-sister secret vibe from Alex & Karl? Like Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia sort of thing. I dunno, just thinking out loud.

How could Karl NOT mention the name ALEX while he's freaking standing there in the presence of Rousseau. Is it really THAT hard?? "Here take my gun guys. ALEX gave it to me before she sent me to warn you."

Frakking frakkity frak Rousseau motherfrakkers.

stephsmith said...

Morgan's theory- one of the chicks in the underwater hatch are Annie.

Lost Boys said...

who was that old guy with the black woman

PalmerEldritch said...

oh. kim's hair's lookin' pretty darn good in her new pic. you Lost Initiative girls have great hair. way to go!

Lost Boys said...

seriosly who was that old guy with the black woman

PalmerEldritch said...

Mister Gorpley from Perfect Strangers.

PalmerEldritch said...

Bernard

holy shit. the dude's last name is NADler?!

stephsmith said...

The old man is Principal Dewitt.

stephsmith said...

I don't think I'll be emotionally ready for the immediate rewatch tomorrow.

memphish said...

Damn Blogger was messing with me. Lost my post. Trying again.

Steph, Annie would be my age, not Kim and Aimee's. LG girls looked more like Kim and Aimee, though girl #2 looked kind of like Cindy. We need a ruling from Andrew.

Aimee, I get your time thing, but it makes my head hurt. Time lines made my head hurt on Heroes and it makes my head hurt on LOST too.

How about that preview. Is Jack a freaking traitor. He's still annoying and needs the crap knocked out of him or to get laid one or the other.

Holli

Lost Boys said...

Ha bernard was on perfect strangers

JonJon said...

I was really hoping that Kelvin was one of the people in the Looking Glass

trevor mcfur said...

Maybe it was just a different day when Charlie saved the woman from the mugger? He might just use that corner a lot, probably only sings a few different songs, he's in London so it rains a lot...

I really liked the episode, although for the first time I was annoyed by the big twist at the end. I mean, it's more WTF; the whole episode is a buildup for this emotional payoff at the end ... either Charlie dies, and we all cry, or he lives, and we all cry. But instead of the payoff, we get something from out of nowhere ... feel a little gypped, I guess. Wanted the emotional payoff, not the WTF moment.

memphish said...

Good idea JonJon. That would be very cool. How's the poetry coming?

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

heheheh. Kelvin would be chilling in The Looking Glass playing cards with the other half of Radszinki's face.

memphish said...

Come on Trevor. Charlie tells Hurley he loves him and we all cry. That's all it took. Chicks with guns was icing on the cake.

Holli

memphish said...

Why the heck would an underwater hatch be called The Looking Glass? How much was Sayid the man for having the maps. And making Jack leave so he couldn't sabotage the ambush. I love Sayid!

Holli

Lost Boys said...

Did Juliette Say That the station was flooded I'd go back and watch but my roomate is watching top model if so I guess she's a lowdown lyin cheatin other still

PalmerEldritch said...

so, maybe the Looking Glass is the Dharma Whipped Topping Wrestling Hatch? maybe?

please?

Anonymous said...

-Trevor & Holli - yeah, i thought Charlie couldn't swim too. Desmond kept having to save him from drowning in puddles.

-Palmer - i couldnt' stop thinking of Handsome Jack when they went into details about the Looking Glass station. I always thought that the Hydra station was a cheap use of symantics for Jay and Jack because that's like calling aquariums underwater because they have shark tanks and there might be a maintenance tunnel underneath. So now there really is an honest to goodness underwater hatch, and it was attached to the cable.

-i had a guilty moment when Charlie took the oar to Desmond. I thought maybe my charlie = mole theory was having a shocking comeback. I'm glad that Charlie is one of the good guys.

-a lot of my friends that are casual viewers really think Locke is dead, so i thought it was an interesting choice to cut to Ben and company. If you really thought Locke was bleeding to death in a mass grave, it was a really flippant way to kill such a huge character.

-I'm starting to picture Claire & Aaron taking off in the helicopter and getting away and then something happens to strand the rest of the losties. I just hope she takes Karl with her.

andrew.

JonJon said...

I've given up on the Raven for the time being, and right now I'm reading "Through the Looking Glass" by Lewis Carroll. Hopefully by next week I can unveil the poem "The Surgeon and the Con Artist" which I've said before is based on "The Walrus and the Carpenter"

Wrigley Boner said...

I'd say Charlie got his first CHristmas present that year on Christmas eve. Santa never brought me a fucking threesome. got-damn hobbits!

I admit, I almost got a little choked up this episode. even Mrs. Boner said how she "almost" didn't want to see Charlie die now.

Aimee - I like your Luke & Leia theory. I don't know if it makes sense, but I like it.

And why couldn't Charlie just tell Desmond "Thanks, but no thanks, brotha. I'll take care of this myself" instead of going Gillooly upside his head?

Lost Boy - That was Neo, and the old lady was the Oracle.

~WB

JonJon said...

I must say that Karl should die by the end of the season, he is always 10 steps behind the storyline, and can never really convince me that his is straight

Vincent in Virginia said...

I was going to call this comment into the wonderful "Lost Initiative" podcast, but I'm a little shy so I'll post instead.

I enjoyed the episode overall but one thing bothers me. Why didn't they just cut the cable?

I mean I'm no electrician, nor am I an expert on underwater communication stations, but usually when you unplug something, it turns off. That cable must serve some function. So why not cut the cable with Sayid's big knife, and then see if Naomi's phone works. It's easy and no one dies. Probably.

And why did Charlie have to hit poor Des in the face with a paddle? He could have just said, "No my Scottish friend, I'm afraid if you take my place, the rescue helicopter may not come." People on that Island seem to get a lot of enjoyment out of knocking each other out.

So did Juliette know that those two women would be on the Looking Glass? I'm hoping Charlie gives them some "razzle dazzle bitches!"

stephsmith said...

Because somebody getting shockingly knocked out makes good tv.

Wrigley Boner said...

How cool would it be if one of the girls in the "Looking GLass" station was named Brandy?

~WB

(Brandy, you're a fine girl. What a good wife you would be)

Lost Boys said...

Thanx WRIGLEY BONER I Thought it was weird seeing them again like "where have they been?" I Was really suspicios of them even though I have no reason to be they where just off acting in other shit I guess

PalmerEldritch said...

i hope Bernard doesn't die. that'd sadden me to no end.

and Charlie better die pretty soon. it's been hyped all season. i like Dom and all but you can't dangle that carrot in front of us for a season and not give us the payoff. even if it's not something we want.

trevor mcfur said...

Holli--

Yeah, it was a little dusty in here during the Hurley scene, and it was even dustier when we realized that he was writing the list out for Claire. I just sometimes think that an out of left field topper that's pretty much completely out of synch with the tone of the rest of the episode can actually weaken what was otherwise a really strong episode. Or maybe I'm just a sucker for weepy endings...

Lost Boys said...

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JonJon said...

Dom has even said that he wouldn't mind having his final curtain call. He feels that his character has finally finished his path.

memphish said...

You know Charlie already died the awesome death in Season 1. I was bawling my eyes out back then. I think this time the viewers are demanding a new sacrifice.

Andrew, is it Cindy's thighs? I'm counting on you.

JonJon, looking forward to the poetry. From the preview it seems quite relevant.

Holli

trevor mcfur said...

So did Dez know what was REALLY waiting for him in the hatch?

And were those the threesome girls?

Wrigley Boner said...

Holli - What R U talking about Cindi's thighs? I don't get it.

Lost Boys said...

I think it was the groupies down in the underwater hatch as well

Does Anyone Know what it was called(the underwater station) ike I said my roomate is watching top model

Wrigley Boner said...

Kablamo!

Wrigley Boner said...

Yeah! The Boner Kablamo'ed 69!

Anonymous said...

Holli - my cindy-sense didn't go off, but i will definitely check the tape. If it is her, then i'm disappointed in myself, and in her for being such a BenCo stooge.

andrew.

memphish said...

Wrigley Boner, some have thought Gun Girl #2 in The Looking Glass looked like Cindy, Andrew's crush. I thought she looked like Cassidy. According to Lostpedia though they are both new characters.

Holli

Wrigley Boner said...

Lost Boy - It's called the "Looking Glass". That's why I'm confident one of the girls is named Brandy.

PalmerEldritch said...

i doubt the Threesome Chicks (Santa's Elves) went from groupies to Underwater Hatch dwelling uber-scientists recruited by Mittelos Bioscience.

just a hunch.

besides, the actresses were different.

Wrigley Boner said...

Maybe they're like the LOST version of the doublemint twins, but in a strange twist, they're BOTH BAD TWINS. That would be cool.

PalmerEldritch said...

at the least, they were the naughty twins.

Wrigley Boner said...

You're probably right palmer, but how cool would it be for a couple of girls who had an unenjoyable threesome with a hobbit (after all, it would HAVE to be UNenjoyable, wouldn't it?) to get back at him by tying him up to a chair and slapping the shit out of him in an underwater communication jamming station in the middle of the Pacific Ocean?

It would be fucking poetic justice.

PalmerEldritch said...

alternately, the three of them had a great time and are about to relive it in the AquaHatch by tying up Charlie and slapping him silly (just like last time they got together).

/bow chicka bow wow

memphish said...

So is it the case that Desmond's flashes are Smoke Monster induced? Desmond sees Charlie die over and over and the last 2 times there are "good" consequences to Charlie's death, first Penny, then Claire's rescue. I'm starting to think these visions are Island produced because they keep upping the ante to lead to Charlie's death.

Holli

Wrigley Boner said...

Well, LOST has been over for an hour now, and we're already at almost 80 posts. At this rate, we'll be over 600 by 8:00 EST tomorrow morning.

I hope my extrapolations are incorrect, so I can read what the rest of you all everybody posts tomorrow.

Good Night Now.

~WB (DA)

Wrigley Boner said...

Just one more thing. Kim, would you please add "Brandy" to your playlist for this week's podcast?

Lost Boys said...

Goodnight WB I totally blanked on the looking glass thanx for straitening me out have a good sleep

PalmerEldritch said...

So, did our boy Locke lock those ladies in the AquaHatch when he went CommandoKablamo on the sub?

Lost Boys said...

I'd Say no

memphish said...

It would have been nice to see the sub in that docking bay wouldn't it? But that would mean Locke is Aquaman, right?

Holli

Lost Boys said...

locke can't be aquaman Vinnie Chase is aquaman

JonJon said...

Locke doesn't lock locks, Locke loves locks, but not locks the lock Locke

Scott and Steve said...

That was Nadia being mugged in the alley!

JonJon said...

By George I think he's got it!

JonJon said...

I'm bored, someone come back!

t-dot kim said...

Steph - first off it was ME, not Aimee that said Charlie woudln't die this episode.

I also thought it was Cindy in the Looking Glass. Rose and Bernard were fantastic! I was screaming at the TV Charlie CAN'T SWIM! (Did the writers forget that?? He said so in Season 1!!) SAYID IS THE MAN!

uhhhh, what else am I forgetting?? I didn't cry. I guess I wait for the west coasters to chime in...

sayten said...

Wow, can't wait for next week's KABLAMMO!

Pablo said...

WHat a cheap ending! fuck I feel ripped off

Pablo said...

I almost cried like god knows how many times. Jesus, Lost is the best show ever.

Ralph said...

that episode flew by so fast, by the time it ended i was thrown off. i saw those people with the guns and then it said LOST, then i yelled, "WHAT?!" wow. i really liked the episode.
I cant wait to hear Jimmy's take on the music. Giacchino is really ramping up to a big finale!

Robert said...

I sure hope that the spoilers at an unnamed website for the season finale are not true. I don't know how accurate this info has been throughout the shows run, but if it is true, "They got a lot of 'splaining to do." :)

Ralph- said...

Palmer, they are not called the Naughty Twins cause they get Fucked in the Ass, so they are called the Ass Fuck Twins! - orgazmo

Great Stuff about cutting the Cable. Forget about who that white guy is with that black woman. Who the hell is that Scott And Steve guy that posted?

i wont be around tomorrow, i am going to stupid Disneyland. have a good one!

Pablo said...

I hate to say this but, I was NEVER okay with Charlie "going" - I was hoping against it all through the episode, but it kind of felt inevitable, the fucked up part is, when Desmond said I'll go (brutha) my heart starting beating really fast and a sudden dread came over me. I'd rather lose Charlie than Desmond?! Sad but true I guess, goes to show how phenomenal the show is at drawing you into caring about it's characters. They're like frikkin family.

Anonymous said...

Loved the episode. The whole concept with each of Charlie's flashbacks being one of his "Greatest Hits" was great.

Next week is going to be way out of this world.

-J

morgan said...

I have to admit, I cried a bit when Charlie hugged Hurley. What the hell though, the map of the Looking Glass Station says "Looking Glass Hatch." They call it a freakin' hatch! This is the one thing about the show that drives me batshit crazy: they're stations. A hatch is a doorway or point of entry. Just because that's all we saw and knew to call it in season 1, doesn't mean everything's a hatch. This is a case of the writers/prop folks paying too much attention to the fans. Argh! OK, my rant is over.

This is the lead-singer of Rump-Shaking Meat Pussy, signing-off.

Anonymous said...

Could people please refrain from referencing spoilers that you may have read, even if you try to do so crypticly. The thing is, sometimes you aren't as cryptic as you think you might be and people are able to read into what you are referring to. We are too close to have some schmuck fuck it all up for those of us who are trying our best to stay spoiler free. Thank you and good night. :)

Pablo said...

So, new mystery: Did Juliet lie to our peeps about the Looking Glass being Uninhabited, therefore knowingly sending Charlie into a trap/danger/death etc, Or did she truly believe what she said? Hmmmmm

Pablo said...

Did I just openly admit that I almost cried? Fuck......

Erica said...

That's what I was thinking about Juliet. There is no way she didn't know about it. She may be lying knowing that someone would go down there and thus giving the Losties some false hope about getting the signal out. I guess Desmond isn't always right. Did he not see Charlie come up for air in the Looking Glass. I was expecting that fucking shark to come up and eat Charlie. Glad that didn't happen.

Lost Boys said...

I definatly think she's a lier she said it was flooded didn't she

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Robert said...

Sorry about the spoiler comment Mr./Ms. Anonymous. Didn't think it was that big a deal as we all know there is a huge reveal in the finale. Again, sorry.

Lost Boys said...

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MB said...

Man, I liked that I LOT more than I thought I would. And absolutely got the salt in the eyes in several places.
I'm lame tonight as all my thoughts have pretty much been covered! But of course I can't shut up:

Casey - NAILED the 'they're coming tonight' prediction - well done! I was watching and had to laugh out loud cause I had just read your post b4 I sat down to watch.

I too was like WTF w/Charlie swimming?!

When Charlie laid Desmond out (which - where was that mojo with Ethan?) I did think at first 'geez man - easy there', but I think Des may have tried to go down and at least help no matter what. Even if Charlie had insisted that Des not go, Des just fot finished saying that maybe he's supposed to take Charlie's place. And Charlie wanted to be sure Claire got off the island.

Anyone else wondering, if the helicopter comes, whether it will for sure be good people working for/with Penny, or someone else. Just remembering Sayid's caution with Naomi - and he hasn't been wrong yet I don't think.

F-ING AWESOME point by Vincent in Virginia about CUTTING THE G-DAMN CABLE. LMAO!!

I know it's not her, but I thought the same thing as Holli that it looked like Cassidy was the Brunette in the Looking Glass

And finally - if there was any contention on the tally point for Handsome Jack re: the Underwater Hatch - it is now summarily resolved.

Lost Boys said...

well good night everyone it seems you've all gone to bed I'm really sorry If I pissed anyone off i'm just really keen on lost and want to discuss it alot

MB said...

Also - totally agree with Ralph that that episode f-ing FLEW by

MB said...

Also - on the heels of Robert talking of spoilers (NOTHING FORWARD LOOKING HERE DON't WORRY FOLKS) just want to apologize for a spoiler I reported a while back about this episode which said that it was NAOMI that he saved in the alleyway - someone mistyped or was FOILING. I'm not real good yet at sensing what is foiler and what is spoiler yet - so I just read what I find. Apologies!

Lost Boys said...

as far as charlie being affraid of the water goes I think that in the past he may have had a traumatic experience envolving the water

just a theory not really based on anything but in this episode it showed charlie learning to swim, he was scared at first but once he jumped into the pool he seemed pretty happy to be there so yeah I think Charlie won't die cause we don't know his whole story yet

like I said could be stupid its definatly unfounded but i'll stick to it

MB said...

congrats in advance to Mr. or Ms, 108 KABLAMMO

MB said...

Oh shit,,,,were at 115 - lmao - I need sleep...wow

MB said...

Good point LB - I would comment more but my eyes are starting to cl lllllllllllllllllllllllllll fdns; fd/f flkf d ......................................fd,,,,,,,,/.




(night)

Lost Boys said...

good night MB say goodnight to mac for me

Jordan from the 206 said...

Man, what mb said about everything already being said. Being on the west coast on this 'spot on Lostnesday night feels like I'm in the UK with Elias and crew.

My favorite part of the episode: Sayid telling Jack off. That was awesome!

I didn't cry or anything, but I def fealt the emotion when Charlie hugged Hurley. Like somebody already said, more so than when Charlie said goodbye to Claire. Mainly because Charlie was guarding his emotions with Claire, so it didn't really come off that emotional. Ok, here's the girliest thing I will ever say on this 'spot. When Charlie wrote, "The night I met you" as his #1 memory, I almost had my period. How cute was that?

I'm with Aimee on Charlie still dying. Desmundo never said when he was going to drown. As we stand, Charlie is still underwater. And he has a couple crazy underwater ladies with guns to his head to boot.

And how crazy was the sequence where Dez was trying to take Charlie's place? Holy crap. I was so mixed as to what to think about who I rather go. But in the end I found myself wanting Dez to live. He seems to have more story to tell than Charlie. And right before Charlie knocked Dez out with the oar when he was acting like he was cool with Dez taking his place, I was screaming at my tv. Charlie was all like, "Ok, cool. Thanks mate." lol.

I'm going to talk about the next week on lost trailer, so if you don't watch that (which in this case I wish I didn't) you might want to skip over this part.

********TRAILER ALERT********
First off let me say that like Heroes this week, I'm pissed at the trailer giving so much away. These damn networks and their beggin you to watch their shows. (shakes fist)

So what's up with Dez swimming down after Charlie? Is he that hell bent on being the one to die that he'd risk them both dying? It seemed as if Mikail was down there, no?
********TRAILER ALERT********

Rose & Bernard!!! I was so excited when I first saw them. lol.

Alex saying something to Karl about Ben not being her real father. Interesting.

Argh, my memory is cutting out on me. I gotta get some rest. Will continue my thoughts tomorrow. See you guys then. ;)

Anonymous said...

I wonder if seeming 'mistakes' such as Charlie being able/not able to swim and/or see Desmond in the flashback on the corner aren't supposed to be our tipoffs to the fact that the entire fabric of time is continuously changing on the island. Whether due to Desmond's visions causing these changes or due to other (pun intended) reasons.

But what I really want to know is why Naomi, supposedly a newcomer, is not asking a million questions regarding her amazing recovery? Or why she wouldn't be staying by Desmond's side to ensure his well-being, given her reason for being there?

PalmerEldritch said...

i think that Charlie can swim but sucks at it and doesn't like to. hence his "i cant swim" comment yet his ability to physically swim. anyhow, he wasn't so much swimming as he was sinking.

cutting the cable to get rid of the power to The Looking Glass? that would have been hilarious. almost as good as unplugging the cord from a power outlet.

however, i imagine that the schematics that Sayid had would have mentioned that the power came in from the cord.. Sayid (unlike seemingly everyone else on JizzIsland) isn't stupid, he'd actually look at the diagrams. i guess it must have generators of its own or something.

as to my "did Locke lock the girls in the AquaHatch?" question, that would presuppose that the girls got in there using the same Dharma sub that Locke blew up at the docks, not a secondary sub. maybe the girls were either stuck in there since the Purge, swim in and out of the hatch, or have their own submersible.

"#1 Meeting You" was cutesy but it was telegraphed from pretty far away. i'd been waiting for it since #4 on the list. too bad i couldn't predict anything useful though. i'll leave that up to Aimee and the gang. :)

oh. and Aimee hates the Rousseaus but last night Danielle and Alex saved our Lostaways' asses. go Team Rousseau! you're angry and sweaty but damn if you didn't save our heroes.

stephsmith said...

Kimberley, sorry. I was actually talking about Aimee saying the writers could have characters die in episodes other than their own.
I've already subscribed to the Lost Boys podcast because of my compulsion to help support everyone's efforts. I just hope everyone reciprocates.
The podcast is pretty enjoyable. I like how y'all express your opinion without cynicism. I take it you guys like the fights.
I can't remember if Charlie could swim or not but I took the point as Charlie accepted his fate. He put the well-being of Claire, Aarron, and the other survivors before his own. The ultimate sacrifice; to lay down your life for your friends.

trevor mcfur said...

One thing that I noticed is, all of Charlie's happy memories have to do with either water or with being wet. When he heard his band playing on the radio, it was raining. Same as when he saved th girl in the alley. He jumped into the pool with his dad. And when he met Claire, it was on the beach next to the ocean. As for the ho, ho, ho ... that one I'm not going to spell out.

PalmerEldritch said...

trevor, that's a really good observation. sounds like the basis for a book report. 12 pages. double spaced. noon tomorrow.

so we have our "Water," now we need our "+ Fire." that'd suck for Charlie for all his worst memories to have to do with Fire. maybe charlie will, next week, die in a fire?

oh. did the "Met The Hot Pregnant Girl" moment have any water?

PalmerEldritch said...

ah, reread your post. the ocean definitely qualifies as water.

Anonymous said...

-re: the Looking Glass station: Juliet said something to the effect of 'i've never seen it. nobody has. Ben told us there was some sort of accident and it flooded.'
That gives us 2 possibilities:
1. Ben continues his lifelong lying streak, and either lied to a majority of the others or just to untrusted recruits like Juliet.
2. Juliet's a total bitch, setting everyone up, and playing mindgames for funs.
While i like the dynamic of the Juliet character, i really don't like Elizabeth Mitchells acting style, so i'm hoping she's evil and gets what's coming to her.

-i'm making a ruling that it's not Cindy in the Looking Glass. I could definitely see why some would think it's her but she doesn't have that je ne sais quoi. I think it's an entirely new person, but i also agree that it kind of looks like Cassidy from when she wanted to smooch kate.

-Morgan - you're right that it's ridiculous for the Looking Glass station to be labeled a "hatch" on the schematics. That thing under the water probably has 2 or 3 hatches on it. another prop person thrown out onto the cold Hawaiian streets.

-i'm struggling with whether Desmond knew Charlie was going to get held at gunpoint. My decision is going to have to wait for the conclusion of the scene in the finale. At one point, Charlie asks how he dies and Desmond asks him if he really wants to know, if he wouldn't be better off if he didn't see it coming.
So, if Charlie thinks he's going to drown but survives the swim, feels the relief and then takes an unsuspecting bullet to the brain pan, then i see Desmond trying to spare Charlie's suffering. (although Charlie is going to need to make a lunge for the switch first or he needn't have bothered going down there in the first place)
If, instead, Charlie gets locked up by Ilsa and the She-Wolves of the LG, then i guess Desmond needs to fine tune those future flashes of his.

-Sayid still doesn't trust Jack or Juliet. He usurped control of Jack's plan and gave him his walking papers.

-Rousseau blowing up trees willy-nilly has got to piss of Jacob something fierce. He's probably rocking the shit out his chair right now.

andrew.

aimee in little rock said...

Vincent's idea of cutting the cable is brilliant. You are the new Sayid. I don't know why Sayid didn't come up with the idea. But to be fair to him, he doesn't know how valuable that station might be, and therefore wouldn't want to outright destroy it.

I'm trying to think of who the person is that's posting as "Wrigley Boner", because I remember iChat'ing with someone not too long ago, and telling them the Wrigley story. And now I can't remember who that was...Don't tell me, I'll think of it.

Don't say Rousseau is saving their asses. We all know nothing is going to go off as planned next week. Come on, people. This is Lost, not Fantasy Island.

Frakking frakky Rousseau fraakers.

trevor mcfur said...

Andrew, the third possibility is that Ben doesn't know what there's people in there; maybe he really thinks that it's flooded.

Didn't Dez say something along the lines of Charlie pushes a yellow button, the place floods, and that's what kills him? So he's not quite out of the woods yet.

And I think that I'm a little nitpicky about what bugs me about the show sometimes ... but complaining that the station map says "Hatch" instead of "Station"??? Come on, we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

stephsmith said...

If calling a station a hatch bothers you, then it bothers you. We can't pick and choose what our intellect accepts. I can live with calling a station a hatch but I can't live with a plane crashing from 20,000 feet and there being survivors. But that's just me.

stephsmith said...

Holli, I'm just now looking at your icon. That's hilarious. I need one that says "One woman pushing out babies!"

PalmerEldritch said...

why does cutting a tether cord make the Looking Glass explode?

i'm coming to Sayid's defense, he'd have noticed if the diagrams mentioned that the tether was a power cord. i'm pretty sure it's just a cord to keep it in one place.

Sayid Jarrah is no one's fool!

memphish said...

I agree Palmer. That cable may have nothing to do with the jamming.

Holli

memphish said...

Did anyone here hear the name Desmond in the background of the pool scene?

Holli

trevor mcfur said...

I was about to say good call palmer, but then I remembered all of those support pylons you see in the diagram (although I didn't notice any when Charlie swam in). If it has support pylons, it doesn't need a tether cable.

Here's the pic again, courtesy of Sledge

PalmerEldritch said...

i think Holli might have heard the name Desmond in the pool scene.

but i didn't. of course i was distracted because Young Charlie reminded me a bit of Young Earl Hickey.

Dexter Stanton was the DS on the (one) ring, right?

memphish said...

Yes, Palmer and Dexter Stratton was Charlie's great-grandfather. I didn't hear the name Desmond. I'm listening to J&J and heard that someone else did.

Check out this avatar Steph.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

thanks, trevor. i was looking for a good pic of the station. so, it has supports but has a cable labeled "Anchor to Land" which would apparently be completely superfluous. oh, those wacky dharmations!

so, i guess the cable isn't a power cord OR keeping it from floating away. it's just kind of there. maybe to help people find the station? like bread crumbs?

memphish said...

So is Danielle Ben's 2nd mole? I still don't get the whole thing with her trapping Ben last season. And I don't get her throwing her lot in with the LOSTies all of a sudden either. Why would Ben go to the radio tower? How would he know to go to the radio tower? And where is Paolo's walkie talkie?

Holli

Pablo said...

Yeah, I thought the Brunette was Cassidy also. The resemblance is almost uncanny.

Pablo said...

That episode fucked with my emotions so much, I had trouble sleeping afterward, I felt forlorn and bothered.

Anonymous said...

Hollie - they must have thrown away the walkie-talkie when they got a look at the exciting new fangled satelite phone. probably gave it to vincent as a chew toy.

-at the losties darkest hour, in the thick of battle with the hostiles, Locke will come riding over the ridge atop the fake horse from the flame station.

-aaron's first words will be "my precious" and he'll be clutching the Dexter Shaft ring

-is there going to be a tense moment when Danielle is targeting the tent, finger on the trigger, when we cut to Ben telling Alex that she has to be on one of the kidnap teams?

andrew.

trevor mcfur said...

Palmer--

Doofus me, I post a picture of the new station to tell you why your theory is wrong, not actually looking at the picture right below where there's a friggin' labeled line called 'Anchor to Land', completely confirming your theory. It's not your fault that it's totally redundant, so I'll now say, "Good call Palmer"!

aimee in little rock said...

How annoyed to you think Dominic Monaghan was that one of his greatest hits had to involve a Ring, when he first read the script?

He must have seen the interneticans going crazy with sarcastic LOTR remarks (kinda like we are right now) a mile away.

Pablo said...

I didn't even catch the Ring reference, and I'm a pretty big LOTR geek. Am i falling off?! probably....

PalmerEldritch said...

hobbit with a ring.
dunedain hearthrob alpert.
Mt. Doom in the Dharma classroom.
Locke the White (better happen).
creepy BugEyed crazy guy.

if Hurley can turn into a bear or if Sawyer kills the Mouth of Sauron, i'll be freakin' stoked.

Pablo said...

lol palmer

memphish said...

Hurley has almost enough hair to be a bear already. I thought he was looking a little slim last night, and I was glad they gave us a shot of him leading Vincent. I would have worried.

Question -- if TLG is blocking transmissions off the Island, how did Ben contact Richard the day of the crash in Miami?

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

huh. uh... anyone know anything about geosynchronous dharma satellites or something? could you jam only some satellite signals?

maybe Patchy signals the AquaAmazons to get them to temporarily lift the jamming signal?

Pablo said...

Maybe they deactivated it specifically to send that transmission, and once it was done, they reactivated the "jam"....?

memphish said...

But if they deactivate the jamming, then the world could hear Danielle's SOS right?

Holli

Anonymous said...

Holli - Juliet said 'we're blocking all transmissions to and from the island except our own'

-i'm so fired up on lost right now.

andrew.

Pablo said...

A few months ago, Jay & Jack mentioned J.J. Abrams handling "The Dark Tower" film/project, anyone have any info on wether or not that's true?

memphish said...

Thanks for the line Andrew. Any explanation on how to do that? My thought is that the signals broadcat on the Island go to TLG (The Looking Glass) and then they send on only the Others signals. But if Juliet thinks that TLG is flooded . . . I'm officially dropping this line of thinking.

Holli

Pablo said...

Hey Holli, you always manage to stump me, congrats lol.

PalmerEldritch said...

so... do the Others block all the signals but Danielle's and then piggyback on that signal to do all their nefarious evilry?

andrew, apparently you've had your coffee. thanks for remembering that line.

Pablo said...

Yeah, Andrew's ON it. impressive! cheers.

aimee in little rock said...

There are multiple types of jamming that can be conducted, depending on the type of equipment they have down there. "Spot jamming" focuses on one specific targeted frequency (such as whatever Rousseau's message is transmitting on), but wouldn't interfere with whatever other frequencies the Flame was communicating on.

aimee in little rock said...

If the Others at The Looking Glass caught wind of the fact that the beach folks had a radio, and wanted to REALLY prevent them from being able to communicate with Naomi's freighter, they could conduct "Barrage Jamming" which takes out a wide range of frequencies. That's more difficult to accomplish because it requires more power to pull off, and the jams are weaker, but you fuck up more shit regardless.

PalmerEldritch said...

scifi reader, LOTR nerd, and a radio jamming expert? aimee, are you real or just a product of our fiendish internet dork imaginations?

or... did you just look up jamming on Wikipedia? either way, we're really enjoying having you back on the blogspot.

Anonymous said...

dropping knowledge Aimee In Special Ops

andrew.

memphish said...

Boy I brought that question to the right blog.

Holli

aimee in little rock said...

Prior military intel analyst & worked with aircrew, so I had some experience with that stuff. But I did google some shit for a refresher to get specifics.

stephsmith said...

Matthew Fox's keynote speech.

http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/05/16/matthew-foxs-columbia-speech-video/

I'm suffering through The View to see Josh.

aimee in little rock said...

Don't worry, Sayid will explain all of this to you next week.

PalmerEldritch said...

you're the Sayid of Little Rock.

PalmerEldritch said...

simultaneous Sayid name dropping!

Jellymanianos said...

Shite from other forums i've read today:
Take the numbers: 4,8,15,16,23,42 - use the last 5 digits, 6-2-3-4-2, they spell NADIA on a telephone key pad.
And, Charlie's brother is the mugger trying to do Nadia over.

There truly are some nobheads out there.

Incidently, cried twice at the episode. Not so bad you might say, except i watched it at work...

t-dot kim said...

Ok, here's the girliest thing I will ever say on this 'spot. When Charlie wrote, "The night I met you" as his #1 memory, I almost had my period. How cute was that?

Jordan wins the thread

trevor mcfur said...

Stephanie, that is suffering.

memphish said...

Steph, That's why I'm recording. Let me know if it's worth the watch.

Holli

stephsmith said...

All those "ladies" do is yell and argue with Elizabeth. Why does she stay?

JonJon said...

Ok first I want to say how an hour after I left the blogspot last night everyone decided to return. I was sad.

Alright first off I want to point out that the radio tower which played the 'numbers' was working when Hurley's friend's soldier buddy heard it on the radio. And same with Danielle hearing it on her boat. So if this is true, then the jamming signal must have been activated is the more recent time.

Also I have thought about the cable, and I bet anything they can say that without an industrial saber saw it would be impossible to cut the cable wire. There are some cables that can withstand the forces of nature, and even fire!

Pablo said...

Ok, Ben/Carl/Alex, we all know their history, so I'll skip that and make my point. Alex asked carl 'is he my dad?' to wich carl responded with a frustrated 'oh for the millionth time' type of body movement. Leads me to believe that carl is at an advantage, in-the-know wise, over alex. Wich led me to think, what if carl is one of these ageless indiginous others? Better yet what if he is immortal and ben doesn't want alex with him because she will die but carl won't? It puts alex in the place of aragorn and carl in the place of arwin, wich is backward and not totally a true LOTR reference, but kinda close.

JonJon said...

Carl the immortal? Humm, that would be interesting to see that occur. But something just tells me that the likely hood of that occur is very low.
It would be nice to know where he came from.

trevor mcfur said...

Again from Sledge, here's the Amazonians from the underwater hatch.

Hmm, the brunette does look a little like Cassidy. The blonde looks mean.

JonJon said...

To me they got that whole Danielle quality to the both of them. You know pissed off and pointing a gun look.

Pablo said...

Wow, rereading the blogs, I missed a lot of great theories. Aimee you are absolutely amazing!

PalmerEldritch said...

wow. one of those Aquazonians really does look like Sawyer's baby mama. But then where's baby Clementine? so, prolly not Sawyer's baby mama. i'm not a big fan of that character so let's hope this new person is a hot Aquazonian with a penchant for hobbit skewering!

will Charlie return to Manchester only to find it's been taken over by Saruman and Grima?

Jordan from the 206 said...

I am now convinced that Aimee is the female Jason Bourne. She's got some crazy super spy past or something going on that nobody knows about. She just spouts off about jamming signals like nobody's business. lol.

aimee in little rock said...

Here’s another quality shot of the Aquazonian Brunette: Cassidy?

morgan said...

Pablo: RE-The Dark Tower movie

I've heard they're still in talks with Stephen King about developing it. He's still reluctant about making a film version, which I can't say blame him, but he did give JJ Abrahms the option to do it, with Damon Lindelof to write a treatment and/or first draft. So it's all up in the air (until after 2010, I'd guess).

aimee in little rock said...

You see a bit more of her face in that one.

aimee in little rock said...

I just finished reading Stephen King's 'Salem's Lot. It's not in the Lost Library, but I started reading it when I didn't have any other unread books in my house. Anyhoo, I went to its IMDB page just now, and the guy that plays the villain, was in Evil Under the Sun (a Lost Book).

Everything is connected to Lost.

PalmerEldritch said...

that Aquazonian does look like Cassidy but Cassidy bores me so i hope it's not her.

although, being stuck on Sealab might make her more interesting!

/"as long as the baby doesn't touch my stash. my... mustache."

trevor mcfur said...

I've seen on other boards that the woman who plays the brunette is NOT the same woman who plays Cassidy ... I agree witht the resemblance, though.

I'b be very nervous about a Dark Tower movie. I mean, a richly detailed 7-part book series with hard-core dedicated fans, crammed into a 2 or even 3 hour movie? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. A movie series, or a miniseries, though ... that I could see...

aimee in little rock said...

Stephen King does have kind of bad luck when it comes to him turning his books into films. There are only a few of them that were really done well (Shawshank Redemption). Taking on something as monstrous as the Dark Tower series has the disaster potential that the tv movie The Stand wrought. (and Aimee sighs sadly, because she loves the Stand + Gary Sinise...)

Pablo said...

Kablammmmo!!!!!

trevor mcfur said...

I don't even remember The Stand being particularly bad, compared with some of his other adaptations. Remember 'The Lawnmower Man'?

MB said...

I love coming to work and seeing a blogspolsion - so many ideas.

Aimee - are you talking about the old 80s (I think) TV Movie of Salem's Lot with (Hot Hunka Hutch) David Soul, or the newer TNT one from a year or two ago? (cause I'm of course two f-in lazy to actually go to TWO websites to find out)

Salem's Lot freaked my shit out - and I totally did not think it was going to. I read SL back in '86 (I think) while away at jazz music school on advice of my roomate, and I'm 16 thinking 'please - I'm so done with vampires'. Before I know it it's 3 in the frakkin' morning I'm deep into the story and don't want to turn out the light, go to sleep, or put my feet on the floor. Totally pussed out. Hilarious to think back on. Wow - sorry for the TMI everyone, hadn't thought about that in a decade - lol

JonJon said...

What even about The Langoliers.

I think that all movies that are dramas are the best adaptations. I also enjoyed Misery

MB said...

got my two's mixed...i mean to's... i mean....GAGH!

morgan said...

The Stand mini-series, although suffering from some bad acting and cheesy special effects, wasn't all that bad. I imagine it would have been worse as a 2-hour movie. As for the Dark Tower series, an HBO or Showtime series of it could have some potential. I believe that was one of the things being discussed as a way of doing it (but I could be wrong).

I'm still on the fence on whether it could or should be done though. It would be nice to see it, but it ties so many of his other books into it that many people might not "get it." I have to say it's one of my all-time fav King books. I started reading it back in 1987, so it took me 17 years to complete it (over half of my life!), so it's a book very close to my heart. I'd hate to see it turn into shit.

MB said...

Meant to agree earlier - that Jordan wins the thread by 'having his period. Laughed out loud at work at that :)

MB said...

Agreed Morgan
I only got through the first book and part of Drawing of Three (though I own 2 of the others as well), but it seems to me that IF someone is going to do it, it would really have to be a director who had a vision for it - like Jackson w/LOTR. Not just a project that came up in a boardroom meeting. What I read had a lot of layers to it and could be visually interpreted in a lot of ways - you'd really need a director and screenwriter who committed to a vision - as I think JJ and Damon have done with Lost.

My main problem wih the Stand miniseries was just that, like people have been saying, it was alright - not great. Any IMO that book is epic and deserved a better treatment. (and I stop b4 it turns to rant-dom)

trevor mcfur said...

I've read that HBO is working on doing a series adaptation of George R.R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire", with one book being one season. Something like that might work for "The Dark Tower", although there's always going to be a million little details left out that are going to drive hard-core fans nuts.

MB said...

Trevor - yes. I didn't even think about a proper series - that could work.

elias said...

The 2 Lost Amazonians in the Looking Glass Station are new:

Bonnie

Greta

What do they do when they get lonely?
(insert rabbit joke here)

Great episode, the first one to make me care about these characters this season. Reminded me of a mini Exodus 1&2.

And Claire is my new favourite island totty.

aimee in little rock said...

Anything with Molly Ringwald automatically spells disaster. There were some redeeming qualities, but not enough to make up for her presence in my mind. Gary helps though.

Misery is one of the films that was actually done well. It reminds me of a bad dream that I'm sure I must have had a thousand times in my life, only everything is different.

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