Thursday, May 03, 2007

The Brig Post Ep Discussion Pt 2

What the heck is going on??

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193 comments:

elias said...

"I've come for the dynamite and I'll tell you why next week on Lost"

PalmerEldritch said...

Rousseau needs the dynamite to go fishing.

PalmerEldritch said...

I went to the Great and Powerful Mom looking to get an Internet so I could find out what time The Office is tonight. But it ends up I had an Internet the whole time.

8:36 pm Eastern

Velcroed said...

I'm scared to read anything on this site in case I stumble upon a spoiler or 40. But yeah. BEST. SHOW. EVER.

Magilla Gorilla said...

I think that Sun's baby is going be born and will have a highlander, their can be only one, standoff with aaron at the end of the series. sun's baby will be evil and aaron good. and depending on who wins the ultimate battle, the 815ers fates will be determined. If Sun's baby wins, everybody is stuck on the island forever. If aaron wins, Penny will be able to find the island and rescue everyone. Thoughts?

t-dot kim said...

I've still only watched the episode once...

I am most bothered by all the sneaky behaviour going on. "Live Together, Die Alone" right Jack?? Then why the fuck are you isolating yourself??? arg!!!

stephsmith said...

Speaking of The Office, a friend of a forum friend of mine will be a guest star or more like an extra. She'll play an employee of Victoria Secret where Michael takes the ladies for a female appreciation day.
Has this been mentioned? Ben implies he is healing faster now that Locke is around. He wants John to believe he's special but doesn't want his people to see it? Ben feels threatened by Locke? Ben announces to the people that Locke may not be who they are waiting for. Is this how you guys see it?
I'm still wondering if Lindeluse have been to Jasper, Alabama or if they threw a dart at a map. I'm thinking the latter.

elias said...

Kim - correct me if I'm wrong but you're not a massive Locke fan? at least you were right that Kate still loves Jack :)

I'm not ashamed to say that Locke is my favourite chracter and The O'Quinn is my favourite Lost actor so I was all over this episode like a cheap suit.

TPTB are moving Lost to an earlier time slot next season so I don't think they can go this dark/ violent next season.

velcroed - there are no spoilers on this site. peeps are pretty disciplined about that.

Jordan from the 206 said...

Man Steph. That Jasper thing is really bugging you, huh? haha.

Yeah, it seemed as if Ben wanted to make Locke not look like the savior for some reason. Which leads me to something Alpert said to Locke. He said something about Ben wanting to focus on fertility while the other others feel he's forgetting the bigger picture, why they are really there. What exactly is that then? But I'm still not sure that Alpert wasn't apart a Ben's manipulating Locke. But then if that's true, why would Ben want Sawyer to kill ACoop? Hmm. I dunno what to think.

stephsmith said...

My new-to-Lost friend just called and said she's ready for Locke to die. She's so disappointed in him for not killing Cooper. Not that I consider Locke a coward, I believe it would be out of character if he actually did the deed.

PalmerEldritch said...

Jasper, Alabama.

elias said...

Jordan - my theory on that:

Alpert reckons if someone pure like Locke is leading the Others the fertility problem would not exist. He blames Ben for the decline of the island's powers.

PalmerEldritch said...

Jasper is in WALKER County. Walker? Texas Ranger? Jin? ROUNDHOUSE KICK?!

stephsmith said...

Jordan, it would bug you too if you ever saw the place. A good representation; WalMart is the largest employer in the county. My co-workers laugh because I'm the only one that can make fun of the rednecks that come in from there. It's not politically incorrect to make fun of your own.

elias said...

funny that Jasper is a really toff name here in England.

Steph - what's wrong with Jasper, Alabama? seems like it's a pleasant, albeit remote, place.

t-dot kim said...

Elias, the only character I despise on LOST is Juliet. Eveyone else I like.

Steph, I think we have 2 options when it comes to Ben. He's either threatened by John, or using him as a pawn. Because Ben loves that he has followers (like Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now--ok, maybe not that out of control), he's worried that he'll lose his power.

If John IS special, he's threatened that John will usurp his “throne” and therefore take way some of his power that he has over The Others.

If John ISN'T special, (or Ben wants to create the illusion that he isn't special) Ben is using him as a false idol, that's why he set up to fail in front of The Ohters--it was to solidify his status as their leader.

aimee in little rock said...

Rousseau's appearance last night reminded me that the writers have been inserting throwaway appearances by a guest star(namely, her) long before the arrival of Nikki and Paulo. I'm sure there was a purpose for her interruption last night, but now they're just being silly about it.

elias said...

interesting Kim. I think Ben probably expected John wouldn't kill Cooper in front of the Others but did he expect Locke to pull off some Linus style manipulation on Sawyer?

It's still not clear but Ben would likely see that possibility. This doesn't change the fact that Alpert and the other faction were helping John get it done to keep him in place near Ben for the ultimate coup.

That last scene with Locke and Sawyer was superb - just watched it again. When Locke said to Sawyer: "I'm on my own journey now" that makes watching Lost this season all worth it. I've all but forgotten Stranger in a Strange Land.

PalmerEldritch said...

Rolph and Boner...

FREE COMIC BOOK DAY this saturday even.

kim, bonus points for using "usurp" correctly in a sentence.

do you think we'll see Hurley on the beach with Vincent running up with a stick of Rousseau's dynamite in his mouth?

morgan said...

I think Ben is setting up Locke to do some of his dirty work. Maybe he's trying to turn him against the 815ers or to betray them. But he's definitely using him.

Kim & Aimee,
I nearly peed myself laughing at your last podcast: the MB/Morgan mystery. In this day and age, it wouldn't be difficult at all to fool you guys. Set up two blogspot accounts, change my voice, use multiple email accounts...pretty easy stuff.

Morgan

PS: My last name's not Brown, but my middle name could be a "B" name, you never know...

morgan said...

Aimee did you wait to post @ 1:08 on purpose?

memphish said...

Sorry I abandoned you Palmer. Real Great and Powerful Mom tasks of acquiring age appropriate reading material, purchasing food and picking the actual kid up interfered with my ability to tell you what time The Office aired.

Rousseau looks AARP sort of sexy in that picture. Shudder.

Holli

trevor mcfur said...

I don't think that I despise any of the characters, although Locke is starting to come close.

I like Juliet, though ... she's purrrty....

elias said...

John Locke will save them all.

Aimee posting at 1:08 - that's just fucking spooky.

memphish said...

I hate Juliet! If she's here to help then prove it. Don't slap your hand over the pregnant girl's mouth. (I know y'all love my pop culture references that only the mother of a pre-schooler would know.)

So did Jack know about Claire's implant? Was that why he let Juliet retrieve the medicine by herself? My annoyance level with Jack is going beyond the stew level.

My son just asked me if I knew where the guy with the eye-patch was. I don't think he meant Mikhail, but maybe. Maybe.

Holli

MB said...

MORGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WEELLCOMME BACKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE CALLING INTO THE SHOW THIS WEEK!!

memphish said...

Who do you believe less, Ben Linus or MB?

Holli

morgan said...

Didn't Rose say in an episode that she had a daughter that died (of leukemia or something)? I think that Naomi is Rose's daughter. Maybe it was a Mittelos cover-up. Carl & Damon did say in a podcast that Rose & Bernard have an interesting storyline coming up. Just a theory...

MB said...

Et tu Holli?

MB said...

(joke)

memphish said...
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MB said...

Good pull Morgan - you think Naomi is sort of working for Mittelos?

memphish said...

MB, I didn't vote yet. I mistrust Ben Linus way more than you or Morgan.

Morgan, I think that Rose kids story may have been in the original Walkabout script in the scene with Jack and Rose staring at the water while they get ready to torch the Fuselage. It never aired, so I don't know that story still holds or not.

Holli

Wesh said...

Will their be a Rousseau flashback in these last episodes? If so, then I can't wait to see her coming upon Locke and then see what she's planning with the explosives.
I really hope it isn't just a throwaway scene like aimee aludes too, and that the impact of that scene will heavily reflect on the final episodes.

The finale as I see it: overflowing with special fx, explosions and death or severe wounding of major characters and an appearance of Jacob to top it off.

MB said...

Wesh -
What I'm wondering re: the dynamite is if Danielle's plan is going to help or hinder the Losties. I could see her injuring someone on either side of the battle frankly

morgan said...

Hey MB!

Don't you think it would be better to keep them guessing?

You did admit to tricking Kim and Aimee. And you claim you're in Portland, but I think a big clue is that you're really "Not In Portland."

Is that a wink or a big clue?

Am I having a conversation with myself?

:))))))))))))))))

elias said...

I'm tired of Rousseau so I hope she blows herself up like Arzt. I'll never get tired of that death.

MB - your relief is palpable. The true Morgan has revealed himself. still could be you on your other blogger account ;)

MB said...

also Wesh if you want a rundown of who the flashbacks are going to be in the last 3 episodes - I posted them on the Spoiler Blog or th SPLOG

MB said...

oooh Morgan - I kind of like your thinking....there are possibilities

PalmerEldritch said...

holli... you're good. but shhhhhh! i can't make fun of it if everyone knows what it is!

morgan said...

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

memphish said...

It was just for you Palmer, and now it's gone.

Kablamo!

Holli

MB said...

Holy CRAP - I just realized that the last two episodes of the season fall on Numbers dates:

5/16 & 5/23

wow

MB said...

DAMN - i was gonna Kablammo it while posting about the numbers - well played Memphish...well played

morgan said...

Back to Rose's kids. I know there was a cut scene in season 1 where she talked to Jack about having a few sons, but I remember a scene (possibly a cut scene) from season 2 where she was telling Sun or Claire about a daughter, an only child that died of something before she met Bernard. Was this a deleted scene from "S.O.S." or "Maternity Leave" or something?

memphish said...

I don't recall that one Morgan, but I haven't watched my Season 2 DVDs as much as I've watched Season 1.

Holli

morgan said...

Please, call me MB. Just kidding! I just went to Lostpedia and it was a cut scene from season 2. So I'm not crazy (except the whole posting under 2 identities thing). Interesting that they ask "Who is her daughter?" at the bottom of the page.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Rose

Possibly cut because they didn't want the daughter to be dead? It would be interesting for Rose and Naomi to see each other in the finale and realize the amazing "coincidence."

memphish said...

Especially given Naomi's accent person posting under the name of Morgan.

Holli

elias said...

I'm pretty sure Naomi has a middle class English accent.

also someone mentioned Doritt is a Dickens reference.

Pablo said...

How many episodes left, including the season finale? 3 or 4?

Psicobabble said...

How many episodes left, including the season finale? 3 or 4?

Psicobabble said...

Woops, double post, my bad

elias said...

3 episodes, 4hrs in total.

PalmerEldritch said...

so, theories on the arrival of Anthony Cooper?

did Mr. Cooper lie about how he got there? did Dr. Eyeliner abduct him? is JizzIsland just so magical that it can conjure the guy?

MB said...

Always so quiet on here after 2pm PT....(wind whistles)

MB said...

Palmer -
Exactly what I was wondering! My first instinct was that Ben is lying and, while there may be some kind of supernatural force on the island - it didn't bring Cooper there. But (Dr. Evil voice) 'I can't back that up'

elias said...

OK Palmer - my sci-fi-less theory:

he was run off the road, bundled into a van, driven to an airport, flown to the sub, sailed to the island. all within hours of Ben asking Alpert for the man from Tallahassee.

now that I read that it sounds ridiculous. it's just as likely Jacob teleported Alpert there and back.

MB said...

If he did arrive by some supernatural means - then did the Mittelos people take him somewhere to be transported via "magic box". Is it like a wormhole (been waiting to use that word since Star Trek Voyager went off the air) with one end on the island? But that wouldn't really make sense if you could wish for anything as Ben said in Man From Talahassee.

elias said...

the wormhole theory is an interesting one. as a big bit of mythology I wouldn't be too unhappy but I can see lots of fans turning their backs on the show because of it.

did they grab Cooper just after Locke crashed as a precaution or did they grab him when Ben asked Alpert for him?

PalmerEldritch said...

i suppose that if the Island can magic up a Nigeria plane, it can magic up Anthony Cooper randomly... :\

i would have liked him to be in a cargo plane or a small boat and end up on the Island.

alternately, Ben could have been planning this Locke thing for a bit now. so, he could have asked Dr. Eyeliner to abduct Cooper and bring him to the Island. then they drugged him and kept him for a few days before Locke arrived. which would lend some credence to the Ben as a Precog theory that I don't like. :)

PalmerEldritch said...

ben asks tom (friendly) for cooper. and then cooper is there very soon after. he also refers to him as "The Man From Tallahassee." i think that Cooper arrived (abducted or not) before Locke arrived at the Other's camp.

elias said...

Palmer - he asked Alpert, not Tom. Alpert is very enigmatic - seemingly Ben's right hand man but also a possible big cheese in the anti-Ben faction.

PalmerEldritch said...

ah, yes. good catch, elias. i had forgotten that he sent Tom away and had Richard stay and THEN asked for Coop. oops.

elias said...

that's why Alpert is interesting. he obviously holds the keys to the box, not someone like Tom.

it also makes Alpert's possible split with Ben so tantalising

PalmerEldritch said...

and the guy wears eyeliner. that's nothing if not interesting.

elias said...

interesting if not androgenous :)

MB said...

Palmer -I think that is very possible that Cooper had already arrived. Are you saying you think he arrived via box or via mittelos/sub?

I agree that Eyeliner has become a much more interesting character now that his loyalties are in question - I'm liking it for the potential story possibilities.

memphish said...

I could have easily picture Richard Eyeliner Alpert as the EMT juicing A Coop in the ambulance, but A Coop would have recognized him on island right? A Coop sees him several times and says nothing.

The Nigerian drug plane though. Interesting. If special people can conjure up what they need in order to make a committment to the Island, Yemi's plane would be the thing Eko needed. I wish AAA hadn't bugged out. That story could have been much better if he had stayed.

So what/who else got conjured? Jack's dad, but that didn't really resolve Jack's issues. I'll bet we see old Christian again. Kate's horse, but again, that didn't really help her move on. And who really conjured A Coop, Locke or Sawyer? Dave? Hurley seemed to pass the Dave test both in the flashback and on Island.

Holli

elias said...

all I was saying is that Ben went to Alpert to get Cooper, therefore he controls who comes and goes on the island. he also brings Juliet. I still have no clue what the box is. as I said before it is probably a season 4 reveal but then again I haven't seen any major spoilers.

elias said...

a late KABLAMO - my first 69 ;)

MB said...

Palmer - I was going to ask you about your Nigerian Plne comment. Are you saying you think the plane was conjured there (via box or whatever) and not just off course and crashed there (like the helicopter and Fl.815)?

elias said...

that plane was on Eko and Charlie's wishlist. but it crashed years before they ever got there. also it took off "half a world away". but still no idea how it got there.

stephsmith said...

I was thinking Walt's mom was Rose's daughter.
Everybody, swing by and pick up a tv guide for your laugh and sniff card on your way home from work.

MB said...

I does seem like there is a lot of geographical displacement w/regard to the island - the Nigerian plane takes off from africa (with its range of 800+ miles max - and it is 11,000 miles to Fiji from Nigeria - source LOSTPEDIA), and 815 takes off from Sydney flying eastward toward Fiji, yet they both end up crashing on the island.

It would be cool if one of the ways to transport to the island is if your craft passes through certain geographical coordinates - coordinates that include the Numbers. I'm no cartographer - do coordinates like that exist?

PalmerEldritch said...

mb (MacBook), http://googlesightseeing.com/2005/11/05/4-8-15-16-23-42/ is one site that shows what happens when you use the numbers as coordinates. play around with Google Maps for extra fun!

for the Nigerian plane to make it to the Island, either the Island needs to move from time to time or your physical location doesn't have to figure into your arrival on JizzIsland. i suppose the third option is that the plane got stuck in a weather pattern and rode an extra ten thousand miles off course. so, let's go with the two other suggestions.

does the Island move around the oceans? is entrance to the Island not always dependent on your physical location?

if it's the second choice then maybe Cooper just up and disappeared to the Island. which would be weird. but, hey, it's LOST.

PalmerEldritch said...

i like the Dr. Eyeliner brought him theory. and "the magic box" is a metaphor. Linus got pissed that Locke didn't get that. :)

Locke can "will" things to happen apparently. but how Locke's "willed" appearance of Coop was actually accomplished, i don't know. again, him just magically appearing seems a little strange.

memphish said...

In The Mysterious Island, Aimee's favorite LOST Book, the castaways fly for many days in a hot air balloon in a freaky current all the way from Richmond, VA to the South Pacific. So Nigeria to JizzIsland should be no problemo.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

Well, if it happened in a Jules Verne novel, then it must be realistic.

What's that? Smoke Munster, you say?

Oh. Good point... if there's a Smoke Munster then Yemi's plane can ride Vernesian weather currents to JizzIsland. :\

memphish said...

I don't want to ruin The Mysterious Island for anyone, but if it turns out Rimbaldi is Jacob, I'm outtie.

Holli

elias said...

Alpert says to Locke:

"Ben has been wasting our time with novelties like fertility problems. We're looking for someone to remind us that we're here for more important reasons" and goes on to explain that Cooper still has to die.

This is what made the episode for me - a lovely non-reveal that is characteristic of Lost. Can't wait for next week. Goodnight all.

Jordan from the 206 said...

Speaking of Aimee, homegirl must be working like a crazy person of late.

Hey, how come no 30 Rock tonight?

MB said...

Jordan - I HOPE Aimee and Kim read through this thread! The case for my innocence semi-depends on it (i.e. Morgan returned - thank god) - LOL

Jordan from the 206 said...

Knowing your luck mb, they won't. And if they do, they'll think it was you. Which I dunno, I could see that. hahaha.

Anybody seeing Spiderman tonight? I don't do Thursday night openings anymore. The last one I saw was the 2nd Matrix. That ruined it for me.

morgan said...

Very interesting... Just re-watched parts of the episode and noticed that Cooper says to Sawyer "I didn't raise no dummies." Why plural? Could it be that Cooper is Sawyer's dad too? It's a weird statement for Cooper to make anyway, as he didn't raise anyone. Maybe Ben's playing with Locke in that he wished him on the island and that Sawyer wanted him there. Or Ben's wrong and doesn't know it. Just a thought...

Also, what did Juliet want to tell Kate that Jack didn't? Here's my theories:
1) She had Dharma toilet paper stuck to her shoe.
2) Her shirt was inside-out, which Jack thought was funny.
3) Jin taped a "KICK ME" sign on her back. Why Jin? Why not?

PalmerEldritch said...

The Office = Comedy Gold

I won't give any spoilers other than that I don't understand why Danielle stopped by the Office to pick up some dynamite. Maybe she's an Other.

/spoilers have no basis in reality

memphish said...

Kate's Tom that she got killed in her escape in "Born to Run" was on Earl tonight. He's a Dickie wearing Dockers. The end of The Office--I'll just say I hope you suckers all set your recording devices appropriately. The Mom gloves are off now, and I will tell you I told you so.

Holli

stephsmith said...

Morgan, Coop seems to be of the same mindset as most dads of his generation- claims too much responsibility in the rearing of the children when he was absent and none when it turns out bad, as in Sawyer. I'm just saying. He sounds like my father-in-law.
The Office was another hit. Through the whole episode was anticipating the payoff with the scetch. Cute.

stephsmith said...

How long did it take for everyone to get what movie Earl was referring? I confess, it took me until 3/4 of the way through. And I love that movie.

PalmerEldritch said...

the Dickies vs. Dockers thing (especially the Docker who wants to be a Dickie) reminded me of about 800 movies. which ones was it specifically lampooning?

tall guy said...

I don't know why Danelle took the dynamite? Doesn't she realise that it's Locke's job to blow everything up?

Jordan from the 206 said...

"I know the crap outta women."

Hahahaha.

Kimberley in T-dot said...

MB... you're now posting as Morgan too! Hasn't this farse gone on enough?? lol...

I've been a lazy blogger today. I've been reading along from time to time, but not posting.

30 Rock wasn't on because last week was the season finale. Jim Halpert is still my favourite part of Thursday nights--but Creed's first line of the show, OMG!!! I laughed so hard. (btw, NBC is really killing it with the Heroes promos, eh??)

As for the LOST talk...it's really done my head in. I don't know where it's going. Time travel, worm holes, woah! I wonder how A-Coop got on the Island? I think we're supposed to believe he got there the say way Juliet's husband died--at the hands of Mittelos Bioscience. People associated with "MB" sure do know a lot about altering reality, don't they??

MB said...

Kim! he-hey...welcome! whattaya think of the blog today?? Some interesting people, huh - anyone stand out to you? Just wondering.

lovin' YOU boss! ;)))

Jordan from the 206 said...

30 Rock is over! That sucks. Oh well. At least it got picked up for next season.

Thanks for catching up with us Kim. Tell Aimee we say hi. lol.

MB said...

Morgan - this is pathetic - but I JUST got your office reference from earlier this thread (Bears, Beets, Battlestar Galactica). I just watched last weeks and this weeks Office. (sigh) I totally feel like Dwight (so slow).

MB said...

Kim - ok - you caught me ....I work for Richard Alpert (his personal eyeliner shopper).

did you hear Ralph and Ben make that point about my name a couple of podcasts ago - I was cracking up - totally hadn't thought of that. good pull.

memphish said...

I have another Morgan theory this morning. It's Steph's 8-year-old daughter logging on from school and posting. How she got MB to call TLI, I don't know, but I think Morgan is Morgan Smith. :)

Wesh said...

Dang! I totally spoiled myself by watching the preview for ep 20! And even more so, because i played it in slow mo! There's some trippy scenes in there! I you havent checked out next on lost yet, dont! :)
Looks like that episode might be super!

Wesh said...

If you insist on checking it out though, here's a download link, so you can slo mo it too ^__-
(right-click-save target)

memphish said...

There's a new OLP this morning. It's very unsubstantial. They say who the next episode is primarily about, what the title refers to and discuss if we will learn more about Jacob. That's it for spoilers. Sounds like the Jan-May announcement for Season 4 is coming soon. They are still negotiating about the end date though.

Holli

stephsmith said...

While I wouldn't put an elaborate ruse past my little sweetie, the typing gives her trouble. So, I doubt it was her.
Speaking of Morgan Smith, we're off on a field trip today to the cave up the road that every kid have been to. Public school is continuing to piss me off. I'd homeschool but she'd be on the Wii and I'd be online all day.

stephsmith said...

palmer, the movie was Rudy.

PalmerEldritch said...

i've avoided Rudy despite everyone loving it. but i do think of Rudy everytime that i see Samwise Gamgee.

stephsmith said...

Yeah, I think what kept me from seeing the Rudy relevance was thinking of Sam when I saw Sean Astin.

memphish said...

Earl in the rain was Shawshank Redemption, wasn't it? And you caught didn't you Steph that that was Rudy in the episode as obnoxious Dickie #1 vs. Kate's Tom as obnoxious Dickie #2. I didn't realize they were brothers.

I've never seen Rudy either Palmer, but that's because I hate Notre Dame.

Holli

stephsmith said...

I failed to recognize Kate's Tom.
Was the the one with the stupid bluetooth thing in his ear?

PalmerEldritch said...

yup. bluetooth guy. no idea he's Sean's brother though.

PalmerEldritch said...

KABLAMO!

muhahahaha!

memphish said...

Double posting to Kablamo. Nice. Kate's Tom is played by Mackenzie Astin and is the son of Patty Duke and John Astin and brother of Sean Astin. He played Andy on Facts of Life. No wonder Kate left him.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

Sean Astin + Stacy Keach + Bruce Campbell + Terrorism at a Ski Lodge = ICEBREAKER

man, that was a crappy movie.

memphish said...

It's really hard to see how that movie could have misfired. :)

Back to LOST, here's a nutty idea. If Locke "conjured" up A Coop did one of the Others "conjure" up the survivors of Flight 815?

Maybe Juliet since the only way she's ever going to get off the Island is if the Flight 815 people or Desmond are rescued. Maybe Desmond conjured them so that Penny would find him. Maybe Alpert to get Locke who could replace Ben.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

didn't Ben suggest that Flight 815 was conjured up for him? to fix his back?

memphish said...

Could be Palmer. Maybe Flight 815 was conjured by multiple people, Ben conjured Jack, Alpert conjured Locke, Juliet conjured Sayid. Maybe Walt contributed too in conjuring the Island since he didn't really want to move to NYC with Michael (and who could blame him). Maybe Rose and Bernard conjured it as the Rose-healing place. Kate conjured her escape and the Marshal's death. Sawyer conjured a place he could find the real Sawyer.

But then what about the rest of them? Is it just the case that be careful what you conjure you might end up with Shannon and Ana Lucia?

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

Someone conjured up Shannon because she's purty. The Dharmalars Comic-Con '05 video reminded me of that. Boy howdy, she's a looker.

memphish said...

I think Sawyer needed to be at the mall last night on The Office getting relationship advice too.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

Dear Carlton and Damon,

Joop is not a monkey. Joop is clearly an ape. No tail, fools.

gillian said...

I love the Sawyer and Kate moments together.

So sweet!!! I mean, obviously, she was trying to back out of it slowly, but gah! Makes me just wanna jump him!

Kirklain said...

surely its obviously that Anthony Cooper was drugged and taken to the island... i mean they did it with juliet (with her consent)... she awoke in the sub? stationed at the island. They could easily have drugged a unconscious Cooper (he said he was in a car crash, and then awoke in the room)... i don't believe there's any box with conjuring powers

MB said...

Kirklain, I think your probably right - but I'm just wondering if that means there's NO magic box. Ben lies...sometimes, but that's one of the beautiful things (in terms of writing and drama)about him - you just don't know if he's lying or partially lying.

PalmerEldritch said...

"BEN: The magic box is a metaphor, John."

- Lostpedia

MB said...

...ok....then can it be a cistern...or...something?

Seriously though, I would be suprised (and pissed) if the "Box" turned out to be the Mittelos Bio special ops team.

MexicanFatDance said...

Sawyer knows all about Kate's "magic box".

Anonymous said...

- a couple of things about Anthony Cooper's account of how he got to the island
1. it did basically sound like a classic TV smash and grab abduction.
2. Which means that there was no magic boxing and i think he was being held on the island for a while, maybe going back to Ben's statement that he was going to the Swan Hatch to get Locke. The only discrepency with this is that Anthony Cooper said everything went black and the first thing he saw was Locke, so unless the others have a way to keep people comfortably numb for extended periods then the snatch must have been fresh (unintentional, super vulgar TWSS)
3. Which all begs the questions: Why did the others abduct Anthony Cooper? Why did Ben want Locke to kill him? Was it an attempt to ruin Locke's connection with the island? test its limits? Would Ben ever kill anyone himself? Could he blackmail Locke with the murder of Anthony Cooper, like his statement 'we ask the people of this island to prove their commitment.'

- Still in the Wizard of Oz corner in regards to Ben. He did start off as Henry Gale. I think he uses the mythology of Jacob and the magic box to retain power, and manipulates situations and people to maintain the illusion of his control of the island.

-Danielle is going to blow-up wherever BenCo are traveling to. Which reminds me, where are they going? they have to be back at the beach in 3 days to pick up Juliet and grab some lovely ladies of lost. Is Locke going to follow their trail and end up doing a loop-de-loop like Hurley's ill-fated picnic. He's going to be pissed that he carried Anthony Cooper on his back that whole time when he could have left him propped up against the tree.

- Cindy. Either she was a mole on the flight or she got a heckuva brainwashing. the children of the corn too. Still, Cindy.

-that was one of the more uncomfortable episodes of the Office in a while, like gay-witchhunt and the racial sensitivity day. Also, Pam's got wicked sense of justice.

andrew.

PalmerEldritch said...

the magic box is "a spinal surgeon falling from the sky" after ben found out about his cancer. the magic box is all of those fortuitous happenstances that occur on the island. JizzIsland provides for the people who are appreciative of the Island.

PalmerEldritch said...

jeez... magic box and JizzIsland. yeesh... i feel like i'm writing a Kevin Smith movie.

memphish said...

Andrew, using the Wizard of Oz stuff and the name Henry Gale, wouldn't that make Ben the upstanding, hard-working citizen farmer who ran the conman out of town?

And I know it's not a box, but judging from the previews where people come from might have 6 sides like a box.

I do want to know how long A Coop had been there. They've seemed to strongly suggest that since "the sky turned purple" people couldn't come to the Island on purpose.

Casey, I'm going to pick on your Red Sox for a minute. Maybe it is hell and we should expect it freeze over any day now since the Red Sox won the series mere weeks before now. Or will we just see pigs fly?

Holli

memphish said...

Palmer, did you have your burger today? I did. A Smokey Melt with smoked cheddar cheese and great big giant onion rings from Memphis' finest burger joint, Huey's.

Holli

Wesh said...

Maybe the metaphorical box, is some sort of communication device, through which the Other's get their orders. And that time around, it ordered them to "conjur up" A-Coop through the means of a deliberate car accident / kidnapping. The person at the other side of the device, sees the big picture, and knows that A-Coop is the way to make Locke act according his/her wishes.

And it doesn't necesairly need to be a casual walkie lying on some rock, giving them orders. It might be something more mystical, like... ehm... maybe the contained area where the Black Smoke Monster resides. How awesome would it be if it suddenly started speaking with a godlike voice!!(u know: an ultra low base voice that shimmers up your spine)!! :D

Or something.

Anonymous said...

considering that there's a smoke monster and John Locke is walking around, i don't doubt the island has some serious mojo, just like Oz had more than its share of crazy shit. I just think that Ben has falsely positioned himself as someone with control over some aspects of that mojo, probably because he grew up on the island, predated Dharma, and so he had some insights and experience that they lacked to use to his advantage.

andrew.

PalmerEldritch said...

BurgerDay was Wendy's. Mmm mmm good!

I think I had a Bacon Cheeseburger or something. It was gooooooood.

aimee in little rock said...

MB, you must be exhausted from living two lives. I still like the name "Morgan Brown", so I'm going to keep using that because I'm stubborn, and it's easy to remember.

The Office was great this week, as was the Rudy-esque episode of Earl. Pam truly kicks ass, but I'm really starting to resent Jim & Karen.

I'll try to post more later, sorry!

MB said...

Andrew -
Your idea makes sense that they might have grabbed Cooper around the time Ben went to the Swan. I can't remember if it was clear that that was his mission - even though Mr. LIE-nus said to Locke that he had been coming for him (in Two For the Road).
Perhaps -
the plane crashed, Ben read all the files, including Locke with his paralysis. But then Ethan reports back that the guy is walking, so Ben's bug-eyes bug-out even wider and decides that he has to try and get Locke - obviously he's pretty special. Just ideas.

PalmerEldritch said...

mb, good stuff. i like that newly-modified theory.

aimee, where ya been?!

i am very psyched for a new Dharmalars this weekend. that's a hint for it not be late, guys. :)

MB said...

Holli and Palmer - i WAS going to try and eat light today. Then you had to describe your burgers....(trails off into daydream)...

PalmerEldritch said...

Holli and I must own stock in a cattle ranching company.

Burgers good.

Mindy Bloomfield said...

Hello people. I'm new. My name is Mindy.

I just wanted to say that I just found both the Dharalars and TLI podcasts recently. They are great!!!

Ralph and Ben, you guys do a great job. And Kim and Aimee are hilarious. I especially like that guy who does the spoiler segment for TLI. That stuff he does with his mac is hilarious.

Keep it up!

Anonymous said...

Anybody see this stuff about microsoft looking to buy out yahoo?

Mandingo Bharwasha said...

This blog is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

Super cool podcasts! Love love love TLI. Aimee is my hero and Kim is super smooth. And I kinda like the guy who talks to his computer. He's really funny.

Does anybody actually think that they are dead? No way that could be the case. Because if it were, they wouldn't let on to that now. It would be the big pay off at the end of the series. Right?

Melki Bartokomus said...

Hey. Love your podcast. Who's the guy who does the spoilers with the Mac? That guy is the man.

Macaroni Brownies said...

aimee and kim, your podcast is great. i love the intro to "The Others." also, whoever does your spoiler section with the talking computer is hilarious.

mexicanfatdance said...

Mindy Bloomfield said... "Keep it up!"

That's what she said!

multitudiness blogspotters said...

hi, y'all.

i'm new here but i had to post. i think that Rousseau is an Other because she went to get dynamite. also, who does the spoiler section with the mac? that segment is ingenious!

stephsmith said...

Hey, new folks. I think all this talk about hell and the survivors being dead is just a tip of the hat to all the purgatory theories. Lindeluse are just poking fun at us, which is fine.
I would have my fancy, new computer right now if I didn't have to go to that stupid cave this morning. I guess I'd been pissed if my computer was jacked off my front porch. Not my computer was jacked off but stolen from my porch.
Ben alludes to the fact that Locke is responsible for Coop being on the island. But from Coop's recollection, he ws brought in the same fashion as Juliet. Ben must be lying to Locke, trying to convince him that he is special. But Locke must be special, to heal as he did. What about Rose? Is she special also?

Anonymous said...

E! Online says ABC seems to be getting ready to announce these things:
* "Lost" will end in 2009.
* Following the “game-changing” May 23 season finale, there will be a seven-month hiatus before new episodes return in 2008.
* It will be moving to an earlier timeslot.
Don’t be surprised if all of this is revealed at ABC’s upfront presentation on May 15.

- looks like 2 more seasons which is what we were all expecting
- i thought that they said on the official podcast that the "game changer" was going to come more mid-season but i'm not sure what that would be.

- i forgot to mention that Anthony Cooper not realizing that he got grabbed, didn't die in the amubulance and then kept insisting they were in hell, was the writers way of saying that they're not dead.

-i don't understand the Danielle getting dynamite = she's an other

MB... i mean andrew.

PalmerEldritch said...

andrew, that is the best way to end a post. EVAR.

steph, you gots to gets your new laptop. and name it something awesome. like "Thundercles" or something.

MB(or not)

memphish said...

MB, the spoiler one, not the rest, Despite your warning I looked at the cover of TV Guide. Does someone have access to the Haitian so I can get my mind wiped?

Holli

P.S. Welcome new MB blogspotters! Finally a good argument to stop comments without a log in. MB - that is "MB's Boss" said make him stop before he posts again, as another person.

MB said...

Aimee, and Mindy Bloomfield/Mandingo Bharwasha/Melki Bartokomus/Macaroni Brownies/multitudiness blogspotters/andrew -

I prefer a Lost related Alias (JJ Abrams ref.):

Mittelos Bio
Mikhail Bakunin
Magic Box
Mr. Ben
the MAN BEHIND the Curtain (next weeks episode)
....um...Motor Boat (that Michael and Walt left on)

...alright I'm overreaching.

Jordan from the 206 said...

I bet if you ask MB, he will say that those are all real people and not him. Next he will be begging Mandingo Bharwasha to call into TLI. hahaha.

Man, this place sure dies down during this time a day. You right side of the country people all go somewhere.

MB said...

We're an MB name generator today

PalmerEldritch said...

mb, you do NOT want to be known as MAN BEHIND. that's just weird.

memphish said...

Wasn't that MB's prison bitch name?

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

hehheheheheheheheh.

Bondage Anthony Cooper avatar reminds me of the fabled Bondage Jimmy from the Dharmalars vidcast. It's like Jimmy in forty years or something. Which is a long time for Ben and Ralph to have someone in a cage. Cuz they usually let them go by year 25 or so.

MB said...

just call me Man Bitch

eew...now I feel dirty

Mertyl Bowra said...

My name is MB: Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

Michael Bolton said...

Hello, I'm Michael Bolton. Lost is good. Buy my cd's.

Miger Boods said...

dude, seriously. what's all this nonsense? is the real mb trying to take the focus off him being morgan? (sigh)

hey question for y'all. is there such thing as a heroes podcast that doesnt totally blow. i've listened to a bunch and they all are annoying and suck. i hate that 10th wonder podcast. those guys are such dorks and so annoying. i want a dharmalars/tli style of heroes podcast!!!

elias said...

what happened to your mullet Michael Bolton?

marion barry said...

you could do worse than Big-O's Heroes Podcast if you don't mind heavy breathing, Mohinder-love and laughing at the plot holes.

stephsmith said...

palmer, it's a desktop not laptop. I'd never sink money into a laptop, knowing how rough I am.
Curious to see the tv guide. For some reason, the magazines don't come out until late. Maybe because this is the sticks.
How many of these posters are actually new people and how many are somebody we know? I say 50/50.

PalmerEldritch said...

Steph, i'm not sure why i forgot that you were getting a dimension desktop. i think it has something to do with it being a friday afternoon.

mad props to the guy who posted as Marion Barry.

marion barry said...

well.. someone else took michael bolton :)

MB said...

Haiku time:

MYOKOMw/SAS
bloggers may build more bogus
MB mind-benders

MB said...

Steph -
so far I think all the MB posters are our own very clever Andrew. But maybe he just started it - nicely done either way :)

PalmerEldritch said...

they weren't all Andrew... but i think he started it.

"he started it!"

PalmerEldritch said...

what i mean to say is that obviously MB posted them all himself in an effort to bolster his fan base. he's very much into the idea of being the leader and will stop Locke from gaining control anyway that he can.

MB = MaybeBen(Linus) ???

Jordan from the 206 said...

I'm trying to decide between buying an XBox 360 or a PS3. Anybody have any strong feelings one way or the other?

I think it was all mb.

elias said...

I'll spare mb the slings... by claiming credit for marion barry.

I think michael bolton was the best one though.

Jordan from the 206 said...

Ok, since Elias is fessing up, I will too. I started the whole mess. I was Mindy, Mandingo, and Michael Bolton. I still think that mb was a couple of them though.

PalmerEldritch said...

jordan, you're in the same boat as me.

i've put some thought into it and... can't decide.

i need a wireless connection to the internet and i'd like a hard drive.

Xbox360 with a 20 gig hard drive = $400
XBox360 Wireless Network Adaptor = $100

so, it's $500 for the XBox that i would like. a PS3 would be $600 and would include a wireless card and a sixty gig hard drive.

a PS3 would also have a next generation disc player. in this case BluRay. an HDDVD player for the XBox 360 is $200.

i don't think BluRay will win the FormatWars though.

hmmm... there are very few PS3 exclusive titles but i feel like there will probably be more graphically impressive games on the PS3 in a couple of years.

it makes it hard to choose. but i need me some Spider-Man 3: The Game and some Madden 2008 in Glorious High Definition.

:(

Kim, Aimee... help us!

i'm out for the night but hopefully you all will have figured out the whole PS3 vs. 360 debate by the time that i get back. thanks!

PalmerEldritch said...

i was the less clever ones! melki bartokomous, macaroni brownies, and multitudinous blogspotters. :p

MB said...

Wow - nice symbiotic blogging you three! LMAO - seriously (is that an oxymoron?)

Jordan -
I can only lay claim to myself - I dare not screw with things further - LOL :) I was thoroughly enjoying all of them though.
I am already going to be lucky enough if Morgan calls and Kim and Aimee finally believe we're not the same person.

MB said...

hey did one of you do Magilla Gorilla earlier? That was good too.

Jordan from the 206 said...

Yeah, that was me. I tend to get bored sometimes. lol. Sorry, but I always seem to hit this place during it's dead spells. I wake up too late to get in on all the right siders' fun in the morning. Damn you right siders! (shakes fist)

MB said...

Jordan -
yeah - the west coast contingent can be a little out of sync - I feel your pain. We have to band together - RALPH, JIMMY, MORGAN (+who am i forgetting)! All for one....

stephsmith said...

I'm here for you, left siders, if you try not to forget me on the weekends.
Jordan, I'd say opt for the XBox for the variety in titles, but that's just me. Oh, I've been meaning to suggest A Guide to Recognizing Your Saints starring Shia Labouf for your viewing before July 4th.

Jordan from the 206 said...

I heard that was a good film. That damn Shia LeBouf again, eh. lol. Can't seem to escape him these days.

stephsmith said...

That Shia is the real deal. He walks funny though.

MB said...

Steph - sorry - you are here for us! That's why we love you.

I will make sure to check in frequently this weekend. Wife and daughter are off living it up at the coast so I'll have the blog to keep me company (and my work).

Jordan from the 206 said...

I can't remember if I've brought this up here before. But has anybody seen a movie called Oldboy? If not, I highly recommend it. But only if you don't mind foreign films and aren't easily offended by subject matter.

stephsmith said...

No, I haven't, Jordan. I need netflix. There's sooo many of those Asian films I'd love to see.

elias said...

Oldboy is a heavy duty Korean film. Totally badass.

Martin-UK said...

Long time lurker, first time poster. I feel quite silly asking this, but are MB and Morgan really the same person or is it two people having a bit of fun with us? I'm afraid I'm a bit late in the game.

Kate is HOT!!! And I don't even care if front teeth are a different color than the rest.

stephsmith said...

I'm afraid the mb/morgan ordeal is just a simple misunderstanding that's took on a life of it's own.

stephsmith said...

Yeah, Kate's teeth bother me too but not half as much as her orange self-tanner.

martin-uk said...

I usually stay away from here before the show airs on SkyOne, but I downloaded the show because of my terrible impatience-I just can't wait. :)

morgan said...

Welcome to the blogspot Martin! MB and I aren't the same person...or are we?

morgan said...

Hmm...could Martin be MB?

martin-uk said...

Ouch, you're hurting my head, Morgan! I've been up all night reading this thread and it's nearly 4AM. I need sleep.

Cheers!

MB said...

Welcome Martin from the UK! You have taken the plunge from observer to poster - and you weill never be the same I tell you - this place gets into you and before you know it you don't know if you ARE Morgan from CA.

(twitches nervously)
Hang on - gotta up my meds (twitch, twitch...)

MB said...

new dhamalars-a-comin (i assume)...

PalmerEldritch said...

i go out on friday night and i come home on saturday morning.

martin, thanks for being brave enough to mention kate's teeth. i think we've all been wanting to say the same thing but have just been too afraid to say anything. you've blazed the trail and now the rest of us are willing to go down the path that you pioneered. because of your bravery i can confidently say "yeah, i noticed that about her teeth. but she's still attractive."

thank you, martin. thartin!

PalmerEldritch said...

good night, internetica.

kim, aimee, (wherever you are) we miss you at the blogspot and hope to see you soon. :(

Lost Boys said...

Hello All I'm New To The Blog Spot So Yeah Just wanted to drop in and say hello Tell everyone about my new lost podcast I've done with my friends its called the lost boys podcast we're new to the podcasting game but we curse like sailors and if you listen to Kim and Aimme you or the Dharmalars you must be used to that so yeah check us out in I Tunes search for either Kris Carlson (cause i'm to stupid to put the name of my podcast instead put my real name) or search Lost boys podcast.

Hopefully I'll become an active member of the blogspot But I am REALLY stupid when it comes to computers(Just Like Locke)