Wednesday, February 06, 2008

The Dharmalars: Lost Score, 4x01

After examining "The Beginning of the End", Jimmy points out an old theme and how it has progressed over four seasons. Join him, and kick back as we relax to some Hurley centric themes as we immerse ourselves into parts of the Season 4 premier.

Playlist:
Hurley's Handouts - Lost Season 2 Michael Giacchino
Mess It All Up - Lost Season 2 Michael Giacchino

Click To Listen:
The Lost Score Mid Week Show Season 4: "Number 1"

79 comments:

PalmerEldritch said...

top notch job, jimmy.

i've already listened to it twice. something about that sweet, sweet giacchinoey music goodness. i should prolly pick up a LOST soundtrack, eh?

thanks for a quality podcast!

t-dot kim said...

Sweet, thanks James! LOVE this segment

MB said...

NICE Jimmy!

Also,
I posted this on the last thread (yes...it was after this one was up...I'm somewhat fatigued):

Jordan, Holli, Palmer, Kim - re: Danielle giving Alex to Ben - I remember the blogspot having this conversation about a year ago and I seem to remember that we all agreed that something fishy was up with how she had been on the island for 16 years but claims never to have seen the (now destroyed) flame station where Mikhail was.

My idea back then (and I think it still holds) is almost what you all said -
right after her team died from "the sickness" she recorded the French message at the transmitter tower, and then had Alex 3 days later (just watched TTLG). My thought was (and is) that the Others found her (maybe because she changed the transmission, maybe because just because they found her and the team) and considering their interest in children, offered to take Alex saying they could protect her from "the sickness", and in return Danielle was never allowed to come after them or Alex - perhaps they even threatened harm to Alex if she did. This would explain why her knowledge of the island seems to be somewhat limited for someone who's been there for 16 years.

Ben may very well have been one of the team that came to Danielle which would explain her recognizing him. Or maybe Ben was doing something suspicious when Danielle found him (in "One of Them") that made her think he was an Other.

MB said...

ALSO posted this (god I'm spaced):

Just looked back over the blog discussion for Enter 77 last year and Palmer said:

"Something to keep in mind about Danielle is that she said that the Smoke Munster was some sort of "security system." Why does she say this? For shits and giggles? It's possible. She is batshit insane. But it's possible that the Smoke Munster has been keeping her out of areas where she could have learned about the Others or DHARMA"

That still makes sense and is also possible - nice Palmer!

MB said...

AND...

Forgot to mention - several new spoilers over on The SPLOG

stephsmith said...

Val Kilmer? Who's he?

Chris JC said...

I love the score segment.

In other news - I'm ALWAYS too late to post new stuff on here, like this one (which is another version of the story Stephanie linked to above):

Bad news for fans of Will Arnett's voice

memphish said...

Steph and Chris trumped me. I was going to post the Knight Rider news too.

Great job on the podcast Jimmy. Looking forward to your next segment and your special Oscar show.

Holli

memphish said...

More Lost for Dummies:

The "enhanced" repeat of Lost's season finale last week will be extended to other repeats. Starting Feb. 14, reruns of the prior week's episode (Thursdays, 8 ET/PT) will include on-screen pop-up graphics that explain references and characters.

Yuck!

Holli

Chris JC said...

In the US, is there not a way of broadcasting that which would make the pop ups optional?

In the UK, especially on the BBC, if you have a digital receiver you can "press the red button" and get everything from on screen pop ups (eg for lyrics on The Eurovision Song Contest) or a different audio stream (for commentaries on the repeats of Doctor Who).

memphish said...

Chris, This isn't like closed captioning where you can choose to see the poor transcriptions or not. This is "bonus material" that they think we want. Problem is most of the stuff is super cheesy, e.g. Jack on a bridge about to jump off and it says "Jack is in despair." Duh. For me the other big problem is who wrote this stuff, someone with the show or some ABC chowderhead?

Holli

Chris JC said...

That sucks. Yeah, I realised it was hard encoded so you couldn't avoid it - it's just a shame they DIDN'T make it optional, as I'm sure not everyone watching the rerun wants screenfuls of that crap. i was just wondering if the technology existed for them to do that if the realised that it was a dumb idea forcing it on everyone.

memphish said...

Well I think most LOST viewers do have the technology to avoid it. It's called record the episode when it airs the first time and rewatch at will. Or watch it on the Internet. These pop-up things are clearly aimed at the "new" viewer they think they are attracting given the dearth of programming thanks to the strike.

Holli

redrabbitblue said...

Things to not do while drinking
Cut and Paste your folder labled Itunes along with 8 other albums you wanted to move to a back up hard drive. then notice the error and quit in the middle in short things don't turn out well!
A little advice back everything up 9 ways sideways in sure glad i did i was having night mares of putting disk after disk in. But i found a folder labled itunes in my back up said what the hell and in rushed all 3000+ songs.
But it doubled all my Thrid season lost so I got extras if you need a Par Avion or T T L G!!!

Trevor McFur said...

I wonder who wrote the pop-up episodes too. I bet some ABC person. I haven't heard the WGA piping up about it, so maybe it's somehow allowed by reality writers or something.

When is this strike gonna end anyway?

PalmerEldritch said...

mb, i made a lot of sense... back then, anyhow. we'll probably have to wait for a Rousseau flashback to find out for sure.


what if we found out that Rousseau had access to Dharma Showers all these years but she was all sweaty and smelly just cuz she was a bad french stereotype?

something to think about.

redrabbitblue said...

Elias brought up a great idea in his email to tli. he thought maybe Jack may have saw his father the way Hurley was seeing Charlie! I've been thinking on this.
And coming around the bush on jizz island all night at work(boxers are better then t shirts with this fraze). Back to elias great thought I,m on board!
Also the less made up in Hurleys head the better for me I'm for real anwsers not, the Ohh he just imagened that! I REALLY hope it's not all in his head like that movie with John cusack Identity(one of my top 5 actors) I didnt like it..it seems weird you could invent a LALA land to live in in your head with out knowing!(Iguess i'm not crazy enough yet).

redrabbitblue said...

we don't know for sure she smells

Trevor McFur said...

"what if we found out that Rousseau had access to Dharma Showers all these years but she was all sweaty and smelly just cuz she was a bad french stereotype?"

Good stuff.

Chris JC said...

"we don't know for sure she smells"

Apparently, you can tell on the Blu-Ray version.

redrabbitblue said...

I think Rousseau had captured and tortured an other the way she did Saide.
She said to Sayid when she had Benry "He will Lie for along time" now tha ti think about it she must have had here way with someon to know there not all looose lips

redrabbitblue said...

If Roussou and Siade get it on I dub thie
The tourterouse too oo

redrabbitblue said...

GREAT thought about the Smokie And Danielle from enter 77 i wish i was around for those blogs. the stuff i got in my head you all have been done with for a year now!
But then if MB i bringing up palmer from a year ago it makes me feel a little better about the spoilers that may be out there, the big ?'s we all still have in commen.
Oh ya i forgot the big anwsers are few and far between!

redrabbitblue said...

"she'll be coming around Jizz island when she comes!
she'll be coming around Jizz island when she comes!
Shell be bring 4 white seamen when she comes!!!
Altogether now!

FutureAlly said...

that's what she said.

memphish said...

Raise your hand if you're wearing your Dharmalars shirt today.

Holli
Hand raised

Chris JC said...

Not right now, but maybe next week?

redrabbitblue said...

I've got 12 dolllars left to spend on my store bought visa the i'm going t shirt crazy on all my fav podcasts with the next i've put it off way to long

redrabbitblue said...

Futerally I just cheacked out your Bio or whatever and it said year of the dog what does that mean i wonder ? i willl go look this shit up!
Drunk blog 8

redrabbitblue said...

Alright i stopped at 'THEY keep secrets" now ill try to find mine. see you in 2 days

elias said...

I attributed my the theory to Holli in the email and do so again. I also like the idea that Kate is not one of the Oceanic 6.

Great Lost Score Jimmy - I noticed the synth stuff in this episode but only because of your segment in the TTLG Dharmalars podcast.

redrabbitblue said...

Sorry Thank You holli! Great thought i dug and still dig it makes alot of sense and stays way believable for me at least i like the stuff that can be explained in the real world.
It makes the show sci fi reality tv ifit can be proved sorta..
Like Rossewell it's there truth
but what happens there we'll almost no hold's barded. you can beleive what you whant there's a ufo in there or a burger king i coukd beleive both.
Jacks gone locco or he's seeing real things.
I like that he's having acctual visions or halluciginations not that he's just hopped up onOxycodone

redrabbitblue said...

If Claire is one of the "6" then it should be called the ocieantic 6 and a half or the '7'!
but there is the chance she gave turnip head to ben instead.

MB said...

Redrabbit - lmao! someone who is talented and has time needs to record a version of "Comin' around Jizz Island" and make a music video of amorous show clips

Anonymous said...

making no sense

MB said...

TV Guide's summary of our new Freighter/boat people - ONE OR TWO MINOR (and quite ambiguous) PIECES OF FORWARD-LOOKING INFORMATION.

redrabbitblue said...

MB you are my biggest fan i could cry
Fuc that dork hahahahh
Mac is way cooler he supports the strike hes my man...
but seriousluy
spelled the way i like to
Why the hell doeas Jack not cheack Naomi to se if she's still kickin Season 1 jack would be all over savin that shit spinal surg by the tower i,m all over that chit(chit a form of saying shit with ou sayin it Chit)ahhaahahah im a fucin mad hater what what just playin i make sense occasionally

redrabbitblue said...

"Tv guide of our new frieghtor people"

I will not give in t you spoiler guy
I will not



who's in the coffin again?

andrew. said...

- i'm wearing my Dharmalars shirt today! (i even considered wearing it on Monday, but then thought 'no, i'll wear it on Thurlostay') i'm a dork!

- i like the theory that Rousseau gave up Alex like Claire was going to give up Aaron. She then spent 16 years avoiding the others, in part because she was 'trying to survive by avoiding contact' & in part because the smoke munster keeps her away. Her encounters with the losties, like Sayid smooth talking her from her torture-matic adjustable bed & fixing her music box, & forgiving her for stealing babies, gave her the courage to get involved & take on the others.
of course, just a few days ago i said i liked the theory that she was from a 16 year earlier attempt to infiltrate the island by the people on the freighter.
Rousseau flashback please!

- i'm a little confused on the whole team Jack vs team Locke thing.
* Hurley & beardo Jack seem to regret leaving the island, which implies that Locke & Jacob/the island were right, that they shouldn't have trusted the freighters.
* but during their game of h-o-r-s-e, Hurley apologizes to Jack for siding with Locke
* Cindy hasn't weighed in on this debate (ooh, i'm totally voting for Cindy to be one of the Oceanic 6. The brave stewardess that survived the whole ordeal = TV-news gold!)

- If the Others are somehow able to leave the island without the sub (magic boxin' it (TWSS)) do you think they'll show up in flashforwards to mess with our Losties? or do you think they're content on the island?

- Hooray! It's the day that Eli Stone comes on (even though i'm not watching that shit)!!

redrabbitblue said...

I like the White seamen I 'm normaly not funny but that takes the cake!

FutureAlly said...

what's up with your link, mb? it brings me back to here. is that what it's supposed to do?

FutureAlly said...

KABLAMO!

/not wearing a dharmalars shirt :(

MB said...

HA! nice link MB (yes...I yell at myself when I screw up)

Sorry folks lets try this link

MB said...

Thanks for the heads up Ally!

MB said...

Andrew - I also like the theory that Rousseau's team was trying to infiltrate the island, and it could also be true. It could just have been a small team that was ill-equipped and didn't know what they were getting into (as seems to be the case with most people who come to the island). It's even possible that they are related in some way to the Freighties. Now that would be a cool twist.

FutureAlly said...

the one time i decide to click on a link and it wasn't working, lol.

FutureAlly said...

Happy Chinese New Year!

/i already got my red envelope. which probably means nothing to anyone here.

PalmerEldritch said...

was Rosseau there with a team of scientists? who promptly died? whom?!

i think i remember that. it certainly lends itself to the "Rousseau as a past Freightie" theory.

i think that we can safely limit the Oceanic 6 to people who could be explained as part of the 815 crash. so, no Others, no Hostiles, no Rousseau, no Alex, no younglings besides Walt, the other abducted kids from the plane, and Aaron. which, andrew, does leave Cindy as a definite (and foxy?) possibility!

redrabbitblue said...

Except me Chinese new year
year of the bull started trying to find mine but ............a little to not in the looking mood.
1977 what animal am I?

redrabbitblue said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
MB said...

What the hell ever happened to "the sickness". Still coming? What are people's thoughts?

Chris JC said...

I'm getting drunk just by READING the blogspot today.

Trevor McFur said...

I bet that the sickness is a creation of the crafty Benry Gale. I like the idea that he used it as a way to pry Alex away from Danielle. And maybe to drive her crazy enough to kill off her party?

andrew. said...

We only heard about the sickness from Rousseau right?
Maybe Rousseau was signed up for a science expedition, but some members of her team were moles trying to infiltrate the island. The others retaliated with a gas attack. Rousseau was confused, mistook the behavior of her traitoros colleagues & the gas-deaths as symptoms of a disease.

some problems & attempts to explain:
-Desmond & the vaccines: the vaccines could be an antidote to the gas. the others/hostiles were on a mission to wipe out D.H.A.R.M.A. so Kelvin & Radzinski were at constant risk of getting gassed. the enter-77 message at the flame station implied that D.H.A.R.M.A. was well aware of the threat of the others/hostiles & taking militarized precautions.

- Claire's sickness - this was the implant-released sickness that Juliet had the antidote for. This further implies that the others/hostiles were making biological attacks & with Alpert actively recruiting scientists off-island, it seems they could continue to develop biological warfare technology

so, in short, i think the sickness is a weapon & not an island phenomenon. I'm not sure how the show would be able to convey all of this to the viewers, so i'm not sure if it will be addressed in the future or not.

stephsmith said...

Ho, ho, ho. The island is at the North Pole. Better get back to work.

Jordan from the 206 said...

Andrew said: "Hurley & beardo Jack seem to regret leaving the island, which implies that Locke & Jacob/the island were right, that they shouldn't have trusted the freighters. but during their game of h-o-r-s-e, Hurley apologizes to Jack for siding with Locke."

I've been wondering the same thing. Here's what I have thought as a possibility. Hurley said that he should've stayed with Jack because with Hurley and Locke's crew going their own way, they left Jack's group more vulnerable to the freighter people or somebody else. Hurley feels that had he stayed with Jack, they could've better stood a chance at defending themselves. Maybe Jack's people get captured because of this divide and conquer routine. And Hurley and Locke's people have to try and save them? Maybe all this is what leads to the obviously not so good outcome with only 6 people making it off the island? I dunno. Just an idea.

t-dot kim said...

I know all about Chinese New Year. It's the year of the Rat. Yuck. Ally, I also got a few red envelopes from my friends. Most are filled with "chocolate" gold coins. I did get a real $1 coin from my neighbour. Yippie!

Kung Hei Fat Choi!!!

MB said...

Trevor and Andrew - that was exactly the next thing I was going to suggest - Ben and co. found out that Rousseau was preggers and killed off her team to:
1. Eliminate resistance to getting Alex
2. Give Ben and Co. a pretext for saying - "give us your baby so we can protect her from 'the sickness'"

t-dot kim said...

Sadly, I'm not wearing my Dharmalars T-shirt to work. I'll have to remember to put it on for the show tonight. I do have a Dharmalars button on my flight bag that goes with me in the chopper--I'll pin it on my coat this afternoon.

andrew. said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Chris JC said...

That's a masterpiece of partial quoting. With context destruction like that you could get a job with pretty much any major news organisation.

t-dot kim said...

Yeah... Andrew, I think you're missing some important "Dharmalars" content in your "quotes".

andrew. said...

sorry. it seemed funny for the second it took me to post it.

memphish said...

Elias, thanks for link back to my earlier comment. I was taking Christian Shephard's advice and "letting it go." But I appreciate it.

Andrew, I don't think Cindy wants to be one of the 6. She seems to be happy camping it up with Ben and Richard.

Holli

Ralph- said...

Hei Fat is a character from the film "The Man with the Golden Gun"

FutureAlly said...

red- if you were born in 1977 you're the snake.

--------------------------------

kim- i've only gotten one envelope from work. mine contains a brand spankin' new very crisp 5 dollar bill.

Jordan from the 206 said...

I think I was born in the year of the Cock.

Ralph- said...

i was born in 77 but on Feb. 18th. what does that make me?

AND THE SET UP........

PalmerEldritch said...

kablamo!!!!!

PalmerEldritch said...

"i was born in 77 but on Feb. 18th. what does that make me?"

old.

elias said...

yes, I'm also a Cock.

Chris JC said...

Ralph: "i was born in 77 but on Feb. 18th. what does that make me?"

It makes you TWO DAYS younger than me.

Chris JC said...

Tim Canterbury: "You're a cock, you're a cock, you're a cock!"

Mattastic said...

This could be a rambling post, but I have no one here to listen.

Has anyone here seen Flags of Our Fathers? Yes or no, I'll breifly recap. It's the story of the SIX soldiers that raised the flag at Hiroshima, and became immortalized in the famous photo. Only the thing is, the six guys in the photo weren't the real guys. Six other guys raised the original flag, then a general told 'em to take it down, then another general told 'em to put it back up so it could be photographed. The six guys in the photo knew they weren't the real flag-raisers, but the US governement brought them back to the US and sent them on a publicity tour to raise bond money. The "fraud" soldiers lived with tremendous guilt for the rest of their lives because they were perpetuating a lie all in the name of p.r. and propaganda.

So, for comparisons sake I'll call them the Hiroshima 6, and I think there are enough similarities to the Oceanic 6 to make it an interesting comparison. We don't know who exactly the Oceanic 6 is yet, but we know they are protecting a lie. (I think that lie involves protecting the identities of other survivors/others that got off the island) We know they are guilt-ridden. Perhaps they went on a nationwide media tour? How else would they get a name like that? Seems like it's media manufactured to me.

Which brings me to my last point. I don't think Kate is one of the Oceanic 6 (other people may have said this before me) Don't you think she would have been arrested as soon as she stepped foot on American soil? Surviving a plane crash is not grounds to drop murder charges. Kate is simply one of the people that the Oceanic 6 is protecting.

anyway, thanks for reading.

Mattastic said...

oops, I meant to say Iwo Jima, not Hiroshima... :(

memphish said...

Good analogy Mattastic. I think it's clear the 6 are lying and keeping secrets. At a minimum it seems they lied that Ana Lucia was alive after the crash. The bigger question I want to know is who is making them lie? Themselves or some outside force like Ben, the Freighter people, Michael, Oceanic?

Less than 4 hours to find out more!

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

dont worry, Ralph and Chris. i'm almost that old too. in a mere four years, whippersnappers will be calling me old on the internet. bastards!

no Dharmalars swag on tonight but i sure did LAST WEEK. you know, for the PREMIERE?!

i'll take a Dharmalars pin with me when i watch the show tonight.

what ever happened to the fabled Dharmalars Man-Thong? Sam and Nate still working on that?

/dont worry
//would not wear a man thong
///or a woman thong
////not even a hermaphrodite thong

FutureAlly said...

Anyone wondering what 'animal' they are, it says it on your blogger profile.

Ralph it says you're a snake. And for the record I don't think you're old. Not yet, anyway.

memphish said...

If you're recording, the episode is set to run long again tonight! Set your recording devices accordingly. Also, you can watch 4.1 again before 4.2. And finally, I took the commercials out of my recording of 4.1 and the episode was 42 minutes. In other words, the extra running time was commercials. Surprised?

Holli