Yeah, and I don't believe in the belated kablamo either. That's just not how I roll.
I still think that he might know about Michael. I thought that maybe Frank knew it was Michael, too, when he was talking to him earlier in the episode.
Sayid not working for Ben yet. Don't know who planted the fake plane. Could go either way. Yes, I expected the Captain to already know Kevin Johnson was a plant.
what kind of car was Michael driving? cuz if it can smash into a shipping crate at over 70 mph and only make you need to stay in the hospital for one scene, then i'm buying one!
that bomb thing was pretty dumb. unless Jacob is the Joker, it was kind of goofy.
"you activated the bomb?!" ben asks despite arranging for tom to find the guy, convincing the guy to kill everyone on the boat, and supplying him a smuggled in bomb which, when activated, merely tells you that you were punked? seems like a lot of trouble to go to if you didnt think he was gunna activate the bomb.
and the island not letting michael die is kind of goofy. he should have just become a superhero. or at least changed his name to MacLeod.
but being that these things are less goofy than parts of the show i already know and love, i'll not fault them for it too much.
Even though Rousseau got shot, by something at least, it sounded a bit like a blowdart/silenced gun hybrid, i don't think she's dead yet... we only saw he collapse from the shot, and as we all know, someone's not dead until it's been confirmed by someone else, like Karl...
- just imagine if that last scene with Alex, Karl & Rousseau was the last bit of Lost that we got until February 2009.
- i'm pretty sure Karl is dead and Rousseaus isn't. They showed Karl's wound prominently but no blood on Rousseau.
- i also thought the Capt. was going to say he already knew Michael was an infiltrator
- i was hoping we'd get to see more Regina, but we just got a bunch of Minkowski. i do like him when he's not crazy or leaking blood everywhere.
- i agree with Stephanie, Libby's cameo was pretty miniscule and a bit of a waste. i hope we see more of her in upcoming episodes.
- the next-month-on-Lost segment pretty much spelled out that Aaron is supposed to be one of the Oceanic 6. i know most sources have been confirming this for a while but there was still a lot of fan speculation.
- guess my crackpot theory about why Michael was working for Ben was dead wrong on all counts. i'm afraid to check my March Madness picks now.
Andrew - I'm glad you said "just imagine if that last scene with Alex, Karl & Rousseau was the last bit of Lost that we got until February 2009" - it dulled my excited frustration a bit. DAMN though! An f-in month now!
...(sigh)...all right back to reality
So - there (probably) goes the theory that the duplicate 815 is the result of a wormhole/casamir effect thingy.
Was Ben's surprise at Micheal activating the bomb genuine? I assumed the note that popped up was his because he somehow knew Michael was going to try too soon (TWSS? kinda weak).
So, if Widmore DID plant the fake 815 (we'll see - hopefully this season [echoing laughter from Cuselof...]), what's with the black box the captain has? Wonder what the recording says. Or if there is anything in it. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to give the captain a fake black box that just had a recording of the plane supposedly crashing in the ocean thousands of miles away. Why does the captain have it?
Was it just me, or did Alex look hotter than usual?
...and just in time for her being newly single. ;)
Very interesting ep. Will post more about it tomorrow.
I really wish the damn ABC promo people would stop it with the "SOMEBODY WILL DIE!!!" crap. Who all was looking at their clocks with 2 min left and knowing somebody in Rouseau's group was going to get gotten? That's it, no more ABC promos for me.
i still say that Rousseau isn't dead. but Karl's gone to the big Star Wars convention in the sky.
i'm very glad that Michael hasn't been working for Ben continuously since season 2. good stuff that he was recruited a bit later.
also, did anyone else get pissed at Sayid? on the one hand, i can see his point "you work for ben? ok, breakdance moves to the face!" but, on the other, give the guy a couple of seconds to explain himself or something.
i guess it's to illustrate just how far he's fallen in the future that he'd actually work for Ben for the same reasons that Michael is. but, calm down a second or two, Sayid. yeesh!
In Sayid's defense, Mike had been telling his story for 40 minutes.
I'm on-board with the Karl's dead but not Danielle theory; they prety clearly showed Karl's bullet wounds and blood; for Danielle you just heard the shot and saw her go down, then 2 seconds later the episode was over.
Why did Libby pop up and tell Mike to not set off the fake bomb? It's not like it blew the ship up. Are the Libby visions supposed to be the island trying to get Mike to NOT work for the island? Or just his guilty conscience?
I think Libby is Michael's conscience at this point and was trying to keep more blood off his hands. Ironic that Michael gets to clean up the blood on the boat like he did in the Swan Hatch.
I put some polls on my blog. I didn't put Is Danielle Dead there because it seems everyone wants her to be alive. Karl, not so much.
Alright I normaly don't stop in the middle of an episode of LOST to write on a blog but this I think may have been the most mind blowing moment of the season. They brought Mr. Friendly back to show us how he got his name..noff said.
Also I may have been wrong on the f gay charecter catch:( I'm confused..Jack in the last 10 hrs of the 25hr marathon..LOL alot of times
MB, Kristin from E! is heading to the set next week, so you should have plenty of SPLOG material coming soon.
My favorite crazy theory of who shot Karl and Danielle is Mikhail. I think I'm still in the minority of believing it's Keamy not Ben's people. But I'm swayable (TWSS).
But if Ben can have Karl and Danielle offed so easily on their way to the Temple which looks just like The Tempest on Dan's map, why did he send Harper to send Juilet to kill Dan and Charlotte? Why not just send his sniper?
Palmer, Sayid totally pissed me off. I know what Michael did to Ana Lucia & Libby wasn't exactly cool. But if Sayid was listening to Michael's story AT ALL, he would've heard that the only reason Michael was working for Ben was that he was trying to redeem himself and save Sayid and his stupid friend's lives. Either Sayid didn't believe him and thought he was lying, or he's a really bad listener. Either way, Sayid's reaction annoyed the crap outta me. Not exactly the the smartest thing or the typical Sayid thing to do. I get that he doesn't like or trust Michael. But all of a sudden, he's totally cool and trusting with the people on the ship? Come on Sayid.
I think Sayid has already cut a deal with Ben courtesy of the time Locke gave them in the rec room and that Sayid is implementing that plan. I also hope Ben came up with the plan and not Sayid since Sayid's plans never work. If not, Sayid is totally over-reacting.
So Jordan Siad didnt read Mikes f.b. correct he should have jumped in his head for all the dirty details? I don't think Mikey told EVERYTHING just the highlights.
Michael told him enough. Sayid just flipped out. He isn't always as calm and calculated as everybody thinks he is. He talks in a calm manner, so that gives off a constantly in control vibe. But it's not always the case. Desmond was 100 times more rational at that moment. He was trying to get Sayid to calm down and think things over.
I'm thinking it was the mercenaries from the freighter who killed Karl and Danielle. An ambush with guns doesn't quite seem like Ben's style to me.
Good call on Desmond being much more rational that Sayid Jordan. More in Sayid's defense, remember that it was only 2 months or so ago that Mike sold them out and shot AnaL and Libby, not 2 years ago like it was for us. So he might still be pretty pissed off about the whole situation. Then finding out he's working for Ben, was just enough to send him over the edge. Dez was more rational because he doesn't really have a connection with all of that. Still, I agree, not a good moment for a guy who's supposed to be the smart one.
Well said sir but I still think Sayid is in controll I would have kicked his ass on the deck.. But I'm a desmond fan. So I would have gone his route. In Desmond I trust. But on First viewing I found it interesting he was as pumped to go down to the engine room to see mikey, as Syiad.. Can anyone help me on the Mike Desmond connection when would Desi. get all into the michael thing? He was in a boat goin in circles?.. And then a bloody Drunk. And then a friggin future predicter. when was he interested in the whole mike killin people in the hatch thing? I think his mind was elsewhere:)
- i too believe it's the freighters sniping at Alex & Co. Sniper rifles seem too heavy artilary for the Others. Plus Karl would have had to have been on a good list at some point or they would have killed him instead of resorting to room 23. (and having Alex be a hostage of the freighters is a lot more dramatic than folding her back into the Others, even reluctantly.)
- i agree that the Temple may be the transportation point for the others. (remember when we all thought it was the Looking Glass hatch) Ben telling Karl that the Temple wasn't for Hurley, Claire, etc. pointed in that direction.
- My other, darker theory, which i seriously doubt TPTB would entertain is that the Others are going to pull a Jim Jones at the temple.
The theory that it's the freighter people sniping makes a lot of sense. Them holding Alex hostage would be in their best interests.
But for some dirty, slimey reason, when I was watching the scene, I couldn't help but wonder if Ben was behind it in some dastardly way. I mean, he sent them out there. And we all know that he has never thought too much of Karl and/or Rousseau. And that he is insanely possesive of Alex. Rousseau and Karl represented the two people with the most power when it came to keeping Alex from Ben. I'm not sure if it's what I think really happened. But while I was watching the scene unfold, it was the first thing that popped in my mind. I mean, it's been a while since we've been reminded just how despicable and calculating Ben is.
Also, a couple of thoughts on why Ben wouldn't have sent a sniper to off Charlotte and Daniel: - He wanted to fuck w/Juliette some more. why? perhaps as Kate says "force of habit" or more likely, he's playing games with her as is his M.O. b/c he knows a war is coming and he is not so subtly reminding Juliet of her connection to him, and as Juliet said to Jack "He knows how I feel about you [Jack]" - Knowledge of what's in the Tempest may also be need to know like the temple. He may not want anyone but a few select people (like Juliet) to know that there is enough poisonous gas there to kill everyone on the island.
Just ideas, which I probably don't matter since I am leaning the way of it being the freighties who ambushed Danielle and co.
- it's interesting that The Island seems to have a lot of influence back in the real world, like giving people visions & most impressively preventing Michael from dying.
- Did the island load up the ill-fated Oceanic 815? Did it pick & choose from the passengers about who got sucked out mid-air & who landed miraculously on the island unscathed (which Sayid said should have been an impossibility) Did it award Hurley his millions? Keep Locke from dying from his fall out of a window? send a horse to free Kate?
- Everyone is confused about why ghost-Libby would tell Michael not to set off the fomb (fake bomb); 1st because he's working with Ben supposedly in the island's best interest, and 2nd because the Island should know it's a fomb. But Jacob also asked Locke to "Help Me" so maybe Michael is caught in the middle of a big tug of war of Jacob vs Ben vs Widmore.
- Are our lives being controlled by the island? Are the heavy religious themes & allusions of the 1st 2 seasons going to come back?
- Jay & Jack suggested that Alex might be pregnant & that could be further motivation for Ben to have Rousseau & Karl offed, but if every woman on the island ends up pregnant i'm going to be really annoyed. That's some day-time soap nonsense, keep it out of my night-time soaps.
Andrew, I think this Island influence does bolster the everyone was on the plane for a reason theorists. I still write Libby off as Michael not wanting more blood on his hands. And I'm with you that I want no more pregnancies.
Here is my one big huge gripe with the episode last night.
Why the hell did Friendly and Ben initially tell Michael that they wanted him to kill everybody on the boat? Only to use that as a trick, and then reveal that they actually wanted him to sabotage the boat.
Uh, hello? Wouldn't it have been much easiet to get Michael to go along with the plan if they just asked him to sabotage the boat??? I mean, the guy was all messed up with dealing with killing other people. When they told him that he had to kill again (even to save others), that was a tough thing for him to agree to because of what he had done. But if they would've just said that they needed him to sabotage the boat....
And even worse, why bother with the whole fake bomb thing if they just wanted him to sabotage the boat?? What was the point of that? To further fuck him up mentally and emotionally and make it harder for him to get the job done?
The fake bomb along with the tricking Mike into think he had to kill again all just seemed entirely pointless to me.
I don't get that either Jordan. You put Michael on the boat to kill everyone on the boat and save everyone on the Island. If you'd allowed him to do it, that would be that. No Naomi or Freighties on the Island.
Ben's whole spiel about not killing innocents--I neither get it nor buy it.
I'm trying to remember Tom's reaction when Mikhail revealed to Ben's traveling troupe Naomi's existence on the Island. Was he amazed she hadn't gone boom?
My biggest thing about it all, is that Michael would have been much more likely to go along with the sabotage plan than the killing one. It seems against what Ben wanted to have lied about the killing. Regardless what the actual plan was. It was just a stupid lie, that in actuality made it harder to recruit Michael.
Good point Jordan - Ben said he gave him the fake bomb and made him go through the stress of having to kill the freighties "to show him the difference between a man without a conscience, Widmore, and himself" (from Lostpedia's entry).
For whatever reason, Ben generally claims he is as concerned about people's state of mind when they do things for him as he is about them actually doing it. Like he said to Jack back in one of the first 6 eps of seas. 3 - he wanted Jack "to WANT to help him" (not sure if that's exact). Not saying it makes sense - but that seems to be his M.O.
until of course someone tries to take his girl - then he simply says "You're MINE [dammit]"!!!
maybe they needed him to be willing to kill everyone? cuz if he was willing to kill everyone then he'd certainly just sabotage the boat? or maybe cuz sabotaging the boat WILL kill everyone?
or maybe Ben needs Friendly and the Others not to know what kind of a crazy fucktard he really is? and by giving Michael a fake bomb, he could make himself look like he'd never really blow up a boat full of people?
maybe making Michael get to the point where he's willing to kill everyone will make him less likely to kill innocents cuz once he got to mass-murder and was pulled back from the brink, he's more likely to be ashamed that he was willing to set off the bomb and therefore more protectice of innocent people?
or maybe... it's just that it "was cool" in the writer's room?
As for CG Walt - I have a feeling that what you have there is Malcolm David Kelley as he is today, but heavily made up to make him look fresh faced and they've just gone a bit too far.
When Michael went to see his Moms, my mind turned to the producers saying that "Walt's height change will be addressed" and fully expected her to just say "he's had a real growth spurt in the last few weeks", and that would be your lot.
IF YOU ARE 100% SPOILER FREE, AND CONSIDER THE OFFICIAL PODCAST QUESTION AND ANSWERS FROM C&D SPOILERS, DO NOT READ. OTHERWISE, PROCEED.
it isnt even that spoilerific. its just a confirmation of something that was kinda unclear when we learned about it.
ok. im not sure if anyone has commented on this, but from two sources, most notably lindecuse, aaron has been confirmed (sorta) as one of the oceanic 6. what the fuck? i know theres been a lot of people saying why this doesnt make sense. he wasnt on the manifest, is a good reason. also, if aaron was one of the 6, jins death would not be a reveal, because we would have known that sun was the last of the 6. but third, and best reason why it is complete bullshit, is that 8 survivors plus 2 deaths equals 6. the oceanic 6. but then, if someone is born, that makes the oceanic 7. this would only imply that aaron was born before the crash, which could be easily proven wrong.
I thought they were going to pull one out that Aaron didn't "count" and that they would have another one revealed - but, from the public perception, manifest or not he was rescued and (as far as the public believe) is one of the only six to be rescued along with his "mother", Kate.
The media would have named them "Oceanic Six", and they would likely include Aaron in that number.
ONCE AGAIN, VERY MILD SPOILER FROM THE TRAILER FOR NEXT WEEK.
another thing! on the lostpedia page for the oceanic six, it says where all the characters were stated as one of the six. it says, for example, that jack was implied as one of the six in through the looking glass, but was confirmed in his conversation with hurley. however, aaron's had no confirmation, unlike ALL the other characters, who were all clearly stated as the oceanic six. aaron, among other reasons that prove that his membership was preposterous, was not confirmed ON THE SHOW, so its stupid to say that he is one of the six. all it said was...
(here's where the preview spoiler shit starts...) Aaron's membership was implied by his appearance in Kate's care in "Eggtown", and was confirmed on-screen as one of the Oceanic 6 in a preview following "Meet Kevin Johnson".
Nice avatar Chris. Arturo is no more out of Tom's league than Richard Gere was out of the league of any woman willing to pay for him in American Gigilo.
I always thought that the argument that the Oceanic 6 had to come from the manifest was kind of irrelevant; the term would be a media creation, and if they wanted to call the 6 that were rescued from the crash the 'Oceanic 6', they're not going to check that manifest first to make sure it's ok. The part about Aaron actually being part of the Oceanic 8-2 is interesting, though ... so does that mean that the cover story says that Aaron was already born at the time of the crash?
In season 4, ever since Find 815, characters seem to have stopped referring to the plane as "Flight Eight Fifteen" and started saying "Flight Eight One Five".
yeah i really don't know what to do with that whole aaron thing. it doesnt make senes. but good point about the media making the name oceanic six. its not like they were on their way back, and hurley says "dude. theres six of us. we should be called the oceanic six!" so, good point trevor.
and about my mild spoiler, it was something i really wanted to discuss, and it was barely a spoiler at all, so, sorry if i spoiled anyone. i myself are about 90% spoiler free. the only thing i know about the next weeks episode before it airs is what the official podcast says, the trailer, and sometimes the episode title. so, i'd never be telling you guys something from spoiler fix or anything. i respect everyones spoiler freedom.
- an interesting screen cap from the Get Lost podcast recap. Rousseau's wound. http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg162/getlostpodcast/00134.jpg I still don't think she's dead, but when i watched the episode I didn't even see her get hit, so at least there's confirmation of that.
I saw Donnie Darko when it came out on VHS(back when i could watch 3 or 4 movies in a row). I remember liking it. And thinking this was somthing I had never seen done before. Much like lost. And one day I put the Directors cut In my Queue And deleted it later on for.. Entrouge disk2? Then I heard some one bring it up on A nonrelated Lost podcast so I stuck it back in my Queue and here I am sayin if you watched it back in the day like me watch it again you Will not be disappointed.. Donnie Darko is the Prequill to Lost.
I was hoping that maybe Danielle had been hit in the leg. Looks like probably lung and liver, which is pretty hard to recover from without surgery! Still, if they want to bring her back, they can always say that the bullet passed through and she's been healed by the island. I still think that Karl's a goner for sure.
Naomi had her lung punctured by the branch when she parachuted onto the island... If the bullet passed right through her, then Rousseau will most likely be ok in a day. maybe a day and a half.
Danielle, I think ultimately she is a goner as well. But we might get a Boonesque, dying episode for her. Which would hopefully provide us with the much anticipted Rousseau flashback.
A story for pet lovers I watched I am Ledgend the other day and left my room mate a note saying we should get a German Shepard. Well my roommate just rolled in on Easter Sunday with a tiny skinny puppie that was walking in the middle of the road, a very busy road! So my mom says it's a girl and maybe a chuaewawaw I cant spell that shit the funny part is it's got the german shepard colors:) very cool karma? kissmith? fate? luck? I hope the puppys O K very skinny but seems WAY COOL and female dogs are way smart:) Maybe fetch beer in the future? Funny side note my FAT cat was a whimp. little dog all like hey lets be friends:) Fat cat all hay I'm going to hide behind this corner:)
LOST PUPPIE NAMES! I've always enjoyed naming pets. My first was Samantha, Sam for short from Whose The Boss, small Callaco 800 kills lives deep in the MA woods and enjoys birds and chipmunks to this day15 yrs old? Max short for the beetles tune "silv. Ham. man" 14lb Orange Male cat. scooter a Guinee pig..and Maverick..Damm you Top Gun. But it fit he's Jet Black very sleak..but he's not a killer? He's a mini panther with out the bite. I need a lost name for a small little black and brown pupppie, floppy ears, big eyes, long legs for her size "STIX?"
We had german shepherds when I was a kid. I love em. That's why I can't bring myslef to watch I Am Legand. I'd like to have one but Big Ed thinks they are dangerous.
Yay! I lost my cellphone. If only I had several hundreds of dollars to spare, I'd get me one of those cool iPhones. That reminds me, Holli. Did you ever find a good iPod case you liked? Try looking at your Apple Store. They have lots of different ones to choose from. Another question, Holli. How come doctors can send half their patients home from the hospital on holidays? Seems pretty suspicious to me. Jordan, I really, really like The Station Agent.
I got a case I like okay Steph. Since the phone is now serving as my iPod because of the death of my iPod, I'm glad I got one with a clip even though it's a little bulky in my purse.
As for why doctors send patients home on holidays, beats me.
I recall the man in the next bed was intubated and on the vent in Michael's dream (seeing Libby). When Michael awoke, the man was wearing a mask. Yay! I finally have some professional insight on this show.
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Bitches.
I said everything I wanted already.
who's gonna take it?
Ralph?
Guess we now know why they call him Mr. Friendly.
Trevor. You missed the Kablammo.
Hey, did anyone else expect the captain to say that he already knew what Sayid told him in that last scene on the freighter?
Did we really need a new thread before we got to 69?
Open questions: Who shot Karl so we can thank him and Danielle so we can throttle them? Not another one without my flashback, dammit!
Who planted 815 -- Ben per that cute Captain Gault or Widmore per the randy Tom?
Achara one of the 324 bodies -- yes/no?
Sayid already working for Ben -- yes/no?
Locke would have found a way to make that bomb work anyway -- yes/no?
Holli
Yeah, and I don't believe in the belated kablamo either. That's just not how I roll.
I still think that he might know about Michael. I thought that maybe Frank knew it was Michael, too, when he was talking to him earlier in the episode.
kablamo
I vote no for Bai among the 324. I didn't see any sausages poking out of those graves.
Absolutely yes for Locke making the suitcase bomb work.
Sayid not working for Ben yet.
Don't know who planted the fake plane. Could go either way.
Yes, I expected the Captain to already know Kevin Johnson was a plant.
I thought it was funny that we finally got confirmation that Tom is (was) indeed gay. Although the kiss seemed a little gratuitous.
I expected a bit more from the Libby cameo.
what kind of car was Michael driving? cuz if it can smash into a shipping crate at over 70 mph and only make you need to stay in the hospital for one scene, then i'm buying one!
that bomb thing was pretty dumb. unless Jacob is the Joker, it was kind of goofy.
"you activated the bomb?!" ben asks despite arranging for tom to find the guy, convincing the guy to kill everyone on the boat, and supplying him a smuggled in bomb which, when activated, merely tells you that you were punked? seems like a lot of trouble to go to if you didnt think he was gunna activate the bomb.
and the island not letting michael die is kind of goofy. he should have just become a superhero. or at least changed his name to MacLeod.
but being that these things are less goofy than parts of the show i already know and love, i'll not fault them for it too much.
Even though Rousseau got shot, by something at least, it sounded a bit like a blowdart/silenced gun hybrid, i don't think she's dead yet... we only saw he collapse from the shot, and as we all know, someone's not dead until it's been confirmed by someone else, like Karl...
Hmm. How anticlimactic btw.
- just imagine if that last scene with Alex, Karl & Rousseau was the last bit of Lost that we got until February 2009.
- i'm pretty sure Karl is dead and Rousseaus isn't. They showed Karl's wound prominently but no blood on Rousseau.
- i also thought the Capt. was going to say he already knew Michael was an infiltrator
- i was hoping we'd get to see more Regina, but we just got a bunch of Minkowski. i do like him when he's not crazy or leaking blood everywhere.
- i agree with Stephanie, Libby's cameo was pretty miniscule and a bit of a waste. i hope we see more of her in upcoming episodes.
- the next-month-on-Lost segment pretty much spelled out that Aaron is supposed to be one of the Oceanic 6. i know most sources have been confirming this for a while but there was still a lot of fan speculation.
- guess my crackpot theory about why Michael was working for Ben was dead wrong on all counts. i'm afraid to check my March Madness picks now.
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Andrew - I'm glad you said
"just imagine if that last scene with Alex, Karl & Rousseau was the last bit of Lost that we got until February 2009" -
it dulled my excited frustration a bit. DAMN though! An f-in month now!
...(sigh)...all right back to reality
So - there (probably) goes the theory that the duplicate 815 is the result of a wormhole/casamir effect thingy.
Was Ben's surprise at Micheal activating the bomb genuine? I assumed the note that popped up was his because he somehow knew Michael was going to try too soon (TWSS? kinda weak).
So, if Widmore DID plant the fake 815 (we'll see - hopefully this season [echoing laughter from Cuselof...]), what's with the black box the captain has? Wonder what the recording says. Or if there is anything in it. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to give the captain a fake black box that just had a recording of the plane supposedly crashing in the ocean thousands of miles away. Why does the captain have it?
liked the episode :)
Mike - I'd love to see whatever's at the end of that link but I'm getting a "Forbidden - you do not have permission..." message. :(
That episode was Fabulous!
Was it just me, or did Alex look hotter than usual?
...and just in time for her being newly single. ;)
Very interesting ep. Will post more about it tomorrow.
I really wish the damn ABC promo people would stop it with the "SOMEBODY WILL DIE!!!" crap. Who all was looking at their clocks with 2 min left and knowing somebody in Rouseau's group was going to get gotten? That's it, no more ABC promos for me.
It was not just you Jordan - maybe she just took a shower and did her hair differently, but she just went from spunky teen to nice-lookin' IMO
Arturo - shut up and come back to bed. ...and bring some food with you
i still say that Rousseau isn't dead. but Karl's gone to the big Star Wars convention in the sky.
i'm very glad that Michael hasn't been working for Ben continuously since season 2. good stuff that he was recruited a bit later.
also, did anyone else get pissed at Sayid? on the one hand, i can see his point "you work for ben? ok, breakdance moves to the face!" but, on the other, give the guy a couple of seconds to explain himself or something.
i guess it's to illustrate just how far he's fallen in the future that he'd actually work for Ben for the same reasons that Michael is. but, calm down a second or two, Sayid. yeesh!
In Sayid's defense, Mike had been telling his story for 40 minutes.
I'm on-board with the Karl's dead but not Danielle theory; they prety clearly showed Karl's bullet wounds and blood; for Danielle you just heard the shot and saw her go down, then 2 seconds later the episode was over.
Why did Libby pop up and tell Mike to not set off the fake bomb? It's not like it blew the ship up. Are the Libby visions supposed to be the island trying to get Mike to NOT work for the island? Or just his guilty conscience?
"Why did Libby pop up and tell Mike to not set off the fake bomb?"
she HATES practical jokes.
I think Libby is Michael's conscience at this point and was trying to keep more blood off his hands. Ironic that Michael gets to clean up the blood on the boat like he did in the Swan Hatch.
I put some polls on my blog. I didn't put Is Danielle Dead there because it seems everyone wants her to be alive. Karl, not so much.
Holli
Alright I normaly don't stop in the middle of an episode of LOST to write on a blog but this I think may have been the most mind blowing moment of the season. They brought Mr. Friendly back to show us how he got his name..noff said.
Also I may have been wrong on the f gay charecter catch:( I'm confused..Jack in the last 10 hrs of the 25hr marathon..LOL alot of times
MB, Kristin from E! is heading to the set next week, so you should have plenty of SPLOG material coming soon.
My favorite crazy theory of who shot Karl and Danielle is Mikhail. I think I'm still in the minority of believing it's Keamy not Ben's people. But I'm swayable (TWSS).
But if Ben can have Karl and Danielle offed so easily on their way to the Temple which looks just like The Tempest on Dan's map, why did he send Harper to send Juilet to kill Dan and Charlotte? Why not just send his sniper?
Holli
So is the Temple the way people get on and off the Island? Karl and Alex didn't know about it; Ben says something about need to know.
Holli
Palmer, Sayid totally pissed me off. I know what Michael did to Ana Lucia & Libby wasn't exactly cool. But if Sayid was listening to Michael's story AT ALL, he would've heard that the only reason Michael was working for Ben was that he was trying to redeem himself and save Sayid and his stupid friend's lives. Either Sayid didn't believe him and thought he was lying, or he's a really bad listener. Either way, Sayid's reaction annoyed the crap outta me. Not exactly the the smartest thing or the typical Sayid thing to do. I get that he doesn't like or trust Michael. But all of a sudden, he's totally cool and trusting with the people on the ship? Come on Sayid.
I think Sayid has already cut a deal with Ben courtesy of the time Locke gave them in the rec room and that Sayid is implementing that plan. I also hope Ben came up with the plan and not Sayid since Sayid's plans never work. If not, Sayid is totally over-reacting.
Holli
So Jordan Siad didnt read Mikes f.b. correct he should have jumped in his head for all the dirty details? I don't think Mikey told EVERYTHING just the highlights.
Cool stuff Memphis I forgotthe Rec.room missing piecies:
Michael told him enough. Sayid just flipped out. He isn't always as calm and calculated as everybody thinks he is. He talks in a calm manner, so that gives off a constantly in control vibe. But it's not always the case. Desmond was 100 times more rational at that moment. He was trying to get Sayid to calm down and think things over.
I'm thinking it was the mercenaries from the freighter who killed Karl and Danielle. An ambush with guns doesn't quite seem like Ben's style to me.
Good call on Desmond being much more rational that Sayid Jordan. More in Sayid's defense, remember that it was only 2 months or so ago that Mike sold them out and shot AnaL and Libby, not 2 years ago like it was for us. So he might still be pretty pissed off about the whole situation. Then finding out he's working for Ben, was just enough to send him over the edge. Dez was more rational because he doesn't really have a connection with all of that. Still, I agree, not a good moment for a guy who's supposed to be the smart one.
Well said sir but I still think Sayid is in controll I would have kicked his ass on the deck.. But I'm a desmond fan. So I would have gone his route. In Desmond I trust. But on First viewing I found it interesting he was as pumped to go down to the engine room to see mikey, as Syiad.. Can anyone help me on the Mike Desmond connection when would Desi. get all into the michael thing? He was in a boat goin in circles?.. And then a bloody Drunk. And then a friggin future predicter. when was he interested in the whole mike killin people in the hatch thing? I think his mind was elsewhere:)
My buddie had my avatar in his pics..The funny part is he has never watched an episode of LOST..yet has a bunny pic? Why, why
- i too believe it's the freighters sniping at Alex & Co. Sniper rifles seem too heavy artilary for the Others. Plus Karl would have had to have been on a good list at some point or they would have killed him instead of resorting to room 23. (and having Alex be a hostage of the freighters is a lot more dramatic than folding her back into the Others, even reluctantly.)
- i agree that the Temple may be the transportation point for the others. (remember when we all thought it was the Looking Glass hatch) Ben telling Karl that the Temple wasn't for Hurley, Claire, etc. pointed in that direction.
- My other, darker theory, which i seriously doubt TPTB would entertain is that the Others are going to pull a Jim Jones at the temple.
Arturo is my new favourite character.
The theory that it's the freighter people sniping makes a lot of sense. Them holding Alex hostage would be in their best interests.
But for some dirty, slimey reason, when I was watching the scene, I couldn't help but wonder if Ben was behind it in some dastardly way. I mean, he sent them out there. And we all know that he has never thought too much of Karl and/or Rousseau. And that he is insanely possesive of Alex. Rousseau and Karl represented the two people with the most power when it came to keeping Alex from Ben. I'm not sure if it's what I think really happened. But while I was watching the scene unfold, it was the first thing that popped in my mind. I mean, it's been a while since we've been reminded just how despicable and calculating Ben is.
Thanks for the tip Holli!
Also, a couple of thoughts on why Ben wouldn't have sent a sniper to off Charlotte and Daniel:
- He wanted to fuck w/Juliette some more. why? perhaps as Kate says "force of habit" or more likely, he's playing games with her as is his M.O. b/c he knows a war is coming and he is not so subtly reminding Juliet of her connection to him, and as Juliet said to Jack "He knows how I feel about you [Jack]"
- Knowledge of what's in the Tempest may also be need to know like the temple. He may not want anyone but a few select people (like Juliet) to know that there is enough poisonous gas there to kill everyone on the island.
Just ideas, which I probably don't matter since I am leaning the way of it being the freighties who ambushed Danielle and co.
Ben took control before too many people could be aroused by Alex's sweaty cleavage.
For fans (like me) of Mr. Show, looks like something new from the guys - yay!
I guess Karl's hand on her ass pushed him over the line
did anyone else add up the numbers in the combination to set off the bomb when they watched the episode... Must have just been me...
7, 1, 7, 2, 6. They only bloody add up to 23.
i don't really have much to add to other people's thoughts. i think everything has been covered.
was walt CGI'd?
that picture looks well freaky. looks like some sort of crazy-assed puppet...
Karl got his comeuppance for looking too preppy.
Arturo left a bad taste in my mouth ;)
This headline demands more information.
- it's interesting that The Island seems to have a lot of influence back in the real world, like giving people visions & most impressively preventing Michael from dying.
- Did the island load up the ill-fated Oceanic 815? Did it pick & choose from the passengers about who got sucked out mid-air & who landed miraculously on the island unscathed (which Sayid said should have been an impossibility) Did it award Hurley his millions? Keep Locke from dying from his fall out of a window? send a horse to free Kate?
- Everyone is confused about why ghost-Libby would tell Michael not to set off the fomb (fake bomb); 1st because he's working with Ben supposedly in the island's best interest, and 2nd because the Island should know it's a fomb. But Jacob also asked Locke to "Help Me" so maybe Michael is caught in the middle of a big tug of war of Jacob vs Ben vs Widmore.
- Are our lives being controlled by the island? Are the heavy religious themes & allusions of the 1st 2 seasons going to come back?
- Jay & Jack suggested that Alex might be pregnant & that could be further motivation for Ben to have Rousseau & Karl offed, but if every woman on the island ends up pregnant i'm going to be really annoyed. That's some day-time soap nonsense, keep it out of my night-time soaps.
Andrew, I think this Island influence does bolster the everyone was on the plane for a reason theorists. I still write Libby off as Michael not wanting more blood on his hands. And I'm with you that I want no more pregnancies.
Holli
Libby was just Michael's conscience f'ing with him. At least that's how I took it.
oopsie. sorry about the double post, my computer kind of freaked out there for a minute.
- MB - i love Mr. Show & saw that article about the new series and i'm really excited too! Punkininny!
"Arturo left a bad taste in my mouth"
That's what he said.
way to go, anon!
i didn't even see that. i must be losing my touch.
Here is my one big huge gripe with the episode last night.
Why the hell did Friendly and Ben initially tell Michael that they wanted him to kill everybody on the boat? Only to use that as a trick, and then reveal that they actually wanted him to sabotage the boat.
Uh, hello? Wouldn't it have been much easiet to get Michael to go along with the plan if they just asked him to sabotage the boat??? I mean, the guy was all messed up with dealing with killing other people. When they told him that he had to kill again (even to save others), that was a tough thing for him to agree to because of what he had done. But if they would've just said that they needed him to sabotage the boat....
And even worse, why bother with the whole fake bomb thing if they just wanted him to sabotage the boat?? What was the point of that? To further fuck him up mentally and emotionally and make it harder for him to get the job done?
The fake bomb along with the tricking Mike into think he had to kill again all just seemed entirely pointless to me.
I don't get that either Jordan. You put Michael on the boat to kill everyone on the boat and save everyone on the Island. If you'd allowed him to do it, that would be that. No Naomi or Freighties on the Island.
Ben's whole spiel about not killing innocents--I neither get it nor buy it.
Holli
I'm trying to remember Tom's reaction when Mikhail revealed to Ben's traveling troupe Naomi's existence on the Island. Was he amazed she hadn't gone boom?
Holli
My biggest thing about it all, is that Michael would have been much more likely to go along with the sabotage plan than the killing one. It seems against what Ben wanted to have lied about the killing. Regardless what the actual plan was. It was just a stupid lie, that in actuality made it harder to recruit Michael.
Good point Jordan -
Ben said he gave him the fake bomb and made him go through the stress of having to kill the freighties "to show him the difference between a man without a conscience, Widmore, and himself" (from Lostpedia's entry).
Again, more f-ing mind games as usual.
For whatever reason, Ben generally claims he is as concerned about people's state of mind when they do things for him as he is about them actually doing it.
Like he said to Jack back in one of the first 6 eps of seas. 3 - he wanted Jack "to WANT to help him" (not sure if that's exact).
Not saying it makes sense - but that seems to be his M.O.
until of course someone tries to take his girl - then he simply says "You're MINE [dammit]"!!!
Also, Ben doesn't want to kill innocents....unless they hear his invisible friend speak to them too.
Then it's time to use mr. gun
Pacino and DeNiro - actually acting TOGETHER:
Righteous Kill
hmmmm...not sure about it, but I'll be there :)
yeah, that whole bomb thing was a bit off.
maybe they needed him to be willing to kill everyone? cuz if he was willing to kill everyone then he'd certainly just sabotage the boat? or maybe cuz sabotaging the boat WILL kill everyone?
or maybe Ben needs Friendly and the Others not to know what kind of a crazy fucktard he really is? and by giving Michael a fake bomb, he could make himself look like he'd never really blow up a boat full of people?
maybe making Michael get to the point where he's willing to kill everyone will make him less likely to kill innocents cuz once he got to mass-murder and was pulled back from the brink, he's more likely to be ashamed that he was willing to set off the bomb and therefore more protectice of innocent people?
or maybe... it's just that it "was cool" in the writer's room?
Surely Arturo is well out of Tom's league?
As for CG Walt - I have a feeling that what you have there is Malcolm David Kelley as he is today, but heavily made up to make him look fresh faced and they've just gone a bit too far.
When Michael went to see his Moms, my mind turned to the producers saying that "Walt's height change will be addressed" and fully expected her to just say "he's had a real growth spurt in the last few weeks", and that would be your lot.
New avatar - the message Michael should have received.
MINI SPOILER ALERT, KINDA BARELY, NOT REALLY.
IF YOU ARE 100% SPOILER FREE, AND CONSIDER THE OFFICIAL PODCAST QUESTION AND ANSWERS FROM C&D SPOILERS, DO NOT READ. OTHERWISE, PROCEED.
it isnt even that spoilerific. its just a confirmation of something that was kinda unclear when we learned about it.
ok. im not sure if anyone has commented on this, but from two sources, most notably lindecuse, aaron has been confirmed (sorta) as one of the oceanic 6. what the fuck? i know theres been a lot of people saying why this doesnt make sense. he wasnt on the manifest, is a good reason. also, if aaron was one of the 6, jins death would not be a reveal, because we would have known that sun was the last of the 6. but third, and best reason why it is complete bullshit, is that 8 survivors plus 2 deaths equals 6. the oceanic 6. but then, if someone is born, that makes the oceanic 7. this would only imply that aaron was born before the crash, which could be easily proven wrong.
I thought they were going to pull one out that Aaron didn't "count" and that they would have another one revealed - but, from the public perception, manifest or not he was rescued and (as far as the public believe) is one of the only six to be rescued along with his "mother", Kate.
The media would have named them "Oceanic Six", and they would likely include Aaron in that number.
ONCE AGAIN, VERY MILD SPOILER FROM THE TRAILER FOR NEXT WEEK.
another thing! on the lostpedia page for the oceanic six, it says where all the characters were stated as one of the six. it says, for example, that jack was implied as one of the six in through the looking glass, but was confirmed in his conversation with hurley. however, aaron's had no confirmation, unlike ALL the other characters, who were all clearly stated as the oceanic six. aaron, among other reasons that prove that his membership was preposterous, was not confirmed ON THE SHOW, so its stupid to say that he is one of the six. all it said was...
(here's where the preview spoiler shit starts...)
Aaron's membership was implied by his appearance in Kate's care in "Eggtown", and was confirmed on-screen as one of the Oceanic 6 in a preview following "Meet Kevin Johnson".
I well got the feeling that Arturo was a rent boy, that would address him being out of Tom's league...
Nice avatar Chris. Arturo is no more out of Tom's league than Richard Gere was out of the league of any woman willing to pay for him in American Gigilo.
Holli
No Spoiling!
Arturo the happy prostitute!
I always thought that the argument that the Oceanic 6 had to come from the manifest was kind of irrelevant; the term would be a media creation, and if they wanted to call the 6 that were rescued from the crash the 'Oceanic 6', they're not going to check that manifest first to make sure it's ok. The part about Aaron actually being part of the Oceanic 8-2 is interesting, though ... so does that mean that the cover story says that Aaron was already born at the time of the crash?
In season 4, ever since Find 815, characters seem to have stopped referring to the plane as "Flight Eight Fifteen" and started saying "Flight Eight One Five".
What, as "they" say, is up with that?
Hey Trevor,
Way back up there you said "Michael ... shot anal"
Wow. Maybe THAT's why Tom was keeping tabs on him.
Walt in window= creepy
Alex did look more attractive, Jordan.
Who's prettier: Arturo, or Alpert?
Alpert. Without the slightest shadow of a doubt.
He's Batmanuel!
is Batmanuel nearly as cool as Die Fleidermaus?
havent seen the live-action Tick... yet.
M/B/K:
Die Fleidermaus
Batmanuel
Dick Alpert
what the hell. there's not much else going on here right now.
yeah i really don't know what to do with that whole aaron thing. it doesnt make senes. but good point about the media making the name oceanic six. its not like they were on their way back, and hurley says "dude. theres six of us. we should be called the oceanic six!" so, good point trevor.
and about my mild spoiler, it was something i really wanted to discuss, and it was barely a spoiler at all, so, sorry if i spoiled anyone. i myself are about 90% spoiler free. the only thing i know about the next weeks episode before it airs is what the official podcast says, the trailer, and sometimes the episode title. so, i'd never be telling you guys something from spoiler fix or anything. i respect everyones spoiler freedom.
oh, and after specifically naming him, and giving him some significant screen time, i hope Arturo becomes a recurring character.
- an interesting screen cap from the Get Lost podcast recap. Rousseau's wound.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg162/getlostpodcast/00134.jpg
I still don't think she's dead, but when i watched the episode I didn't even see her get hit, so at least there's confirmation of that.
silent bob, maybe Arturo is one of Widmore's spies.
andrew, would that be a... lung shot? maybe the Island will heal her.
Is donnie darko +lost old news?
silent boob, if youz want to talk spoilerz, theres is mb's splog.
You talkin to me? I Know, no Spoilers.
I saw Donnie Darko when it came out on VHS(back when i could watch 3 or 4 movies in a row).
I remember liking it. And thinking this was somthing I had never seen done before. Much like lost.
And one day I put the Directors cut In my Queue And deleted it later on for.. Entrouge disk2?
Then I heard some one bring it up on A nonrelated Lost podcast so I stuck it back in my Queue and here I am sayin if you watched it back in the day like me watch it again you Will not be disappointed.. Donnie Darko is the Prequill to Lost.
also something that was a little scary..I may have seen the Watership Down cartoon in school? It was way familiar..
I was hoping that maybe Danielle had been hit in the leg. Looks like probably lung and liver, which is pretty hard to recover from without surgery! Still, if they want to bring her back, they can always say that the bullet passed through and she's been healed by the island. I still think that Karl's a goner for sure.
Mr.O'ferr have you watched Donnie Darko?
Naomi had her lung punctured by the branch when she parachuted onto the island... If the bullet passed right through her, then Rousseau will most likely be ok in a day. maybe a day and a half.
Karl seems toast.
Danielle, I think ultimately she is a goner as well. But we might get a Boonesque, dying episode for her. Which would hopefully provide us with the much anticipted Rousseau flashback.
magic healing island.
she could be up and dancing in a few episodes if the writer wanted and it would still make sense for the show.
Couple more things over @ the SPLOG bitches!
considering every episode this season has ended with a big reveal, i'm super excited for the Frozen Donkey Wheel!
A story for pet lovers I watched I am Ledgend the other day and left my room mate a note saying we should get a German Shepard. Well my roommate just rolled in on Easter Sunday with a tiny skinny puppie that was walking in the middle of the road, a very busy road! So my mom says it's a girl and maybe a chuaewawaw I cant spell that shit the funny part is it's got the german shepard colors:) very cool karma? kissmith? fate? luck? I hope the puppys O K very skinny but seems WAY COOL and female dogs are way smart:) Maybe fetch beer in the future?
Funny side note my FAT cat was a whimp. little dog all like hey lets be friends:) Fat cat all hay I'm going to hide behind this corner:)
I loved Mammas Boy hehe
Holy crap Name Time!!
LOST PUPPIE NAMES!
I've always enjoyed naming pets. My first was Samantha, Sam for short from Whose The Boss, small Callaco 800 kills lives deep in the MA woods and enjoys birds and chipmunks to this day15 yrs old? Max short for the beetles tune "silv. Ham. man" 14lb Orange Male cat. scooter a Guinee pig..and Maverick..Damm you Top Gun. But it fit he's Jet Black very sleak..but he's not a killer? He's a mini panther with out the bite.
I need a lost name for a small little black and brown pupppie, floppy ears, big eyes, long legs for her size "STIX?"
We had german shepherds when I was a kid. I love em. That's why I can't bring myslef to watch I Am Legand. I'd like to have one but Big Ed thinks they are dangerous.
Yay! I lost my cellphone. If only I had several hundreds of dollars to spare, I'd get me one of those cool iPhones.
That reminds me, Holli. Did you ever find a good iPod case you liked? Try looking at your Apple Store. They have lots of different ones to choose from.
Another question, Holli. How come doctors can send half their patients home from the hospital on holidays? Seems pretty suspicious to me.
Jordan, I really, really like The Station Agent.
I got a case I like okay Steph. Since the phone is now serving as my iPod because of the death of my iPod, I'm glad I got one with a clip even though it's a little bulky in my purse.
As for why doctors send patients home on holidays, beats me.
Holli
/relieved Memphis Tiger and UCLA Bruin fan
Screencaps (from Lost Easter Eggs) of the man in the hospital bed next to Michael in Meet Kevin Johnson -
Hanso?
(ou non? for those french speaking amongst us)
I think it looks like Hanso, but I don't know what that means if it is. Is he in the hallucination bed, the real bed or both?
Holli
I recall the man in the next bed was intubated and on the vent in Michael's dream (seeing Libby). When Michael awoke, the man was wearing a mask. Yay! I finally have some professional insight on this show.
KABLAMMO!
holy shit! a rare Canadian kablamo! well played, kim. we missed you while you were on vacation.
steph, those words sound smart and i almost kind of know what they mean!
in-tube-bated: they stuck a tube in him, right?
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