Tuesday, February 23, 2010

Lighthouse: Post Episode Discussion

114 comments:

Kelly Jo said...

Jack has a son whaaaa?

Holder said...

The episode they found Adam and Eve and the stones was "House of the Rising Sun." Adam and Eve are Jin and Sun. Count on it.

t-dot kim said...

Whaaaaaaa?

Tha Kid said...

Why did I click on this?

Glad to see there are Whaaaaa moments in this episode.

Kelly Jo said...

I'm trying to explain to my Mom the parallels of Season 1 and Season 6. She is giving me the my daughter is such a nerd look. Also someone on YuBlog pointed out that this is episode 108.

t-dot kim said...

"You've got what it takes"

WTF is in that cradle?? WTF!!!! Claire's crazy

Holder said...

Haha, so weird. Was that a deer scull? I love awesome weird Claire.

Kelly Jo said...

I actually like crazy Claire over regular Claire

Kelly Jo said...

So far David is just as bitchy as his dad.

Holder said...

108 was Wallace on the dial.

Holder said...

Ooh, I think Kate is 51! I'm freeze framing the whole scene.

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Holder said...

Wallace is crossed out, Austen was NOT crossed out.

Holder said...

Dawson 124 (crossed out) Friendly 109 (crossed out).

t-dot kim said...

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Brad said...

Mind = blown with awesomeness.

Brad said...

Ya know, in the premiere when I thought Sayid was dead, I began to think this flash sideways world might be a better place. I mean we'd still have Locke, Charlie, Sayid, Claire...
Then I saw Kate was screwed over in LA X land and Sayid wasn't dead on the Island as I feared. Well over these last 2 eps I'm 100% sold that the Alt world is the cats pajamas. Granted I'm sure that it's not going to be that simple. Still I would be ok with it if it were the case.

Kyle from Kentucky said...

Whos coming to the island

Holder said...

I'm thinkin Des.

alex said...

Desmond is coming to the island- It's not finished with him

memphish said...

In my version of Flash-Sideways Jack he also has a son (though he is only 3 and named Chris) and a wife that is as pregnant as Claire. And pregnant Claire moves in with Jack and family because she goes to her father's house only to discover he is dead and she has a brother. And pregnant Mrs. Shephard and pregnant Claire be all nine months pregnant together.

And that's the problem with the Flash-Sideways. I can make up alternate futures for them too, and they are happier in them, nay they are functional human beings not these broken ones. But despite that I enjoyed the episode. Still don't love that Jacob and Dogen refuse to share any information, but that's ok. And if Claire wants to kill Kate I say go for it.

I cannot believe they are making us wait 1 more week for the Sun/Jin reunion, and what a happy reunion it is likely to be what with the axed body in the middle of it. Do you think Sun at least has a picture of their child with her what with her supremely sucky mothering skills?

Holli

memphish said...

Oh yeah, I also figure it's Desmond's boat coming to the Island, though at this point I'm not sure if anyone is coming? If dead Jacob can draw people to the Island, killing him sure backfired for Claire's friend.

So Blogspot, are you still rooting for Smokey?

Holli

Kelly Jo said...

I'm going the band wagon and saying that it's Desmond

memphish said...

And I call total shenanigans if Austen is 51.

Holli

Holder said...

Yea...what's the deal there? Is she Jacob's secret weapon?

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Holder said...

Jack's ex-wife...Juliet?

Kyle from Kentucky said...

God I hope it's Desmond

t-dot kim said...

I still think Sarah is is ex--Julie Bowen probably was busy shooting Modern Family

PalmerEldritch said...

ex-wife? could just be a baby-momma.

let's see...

Achara?
Sarah?
Mrs Rutherford?
Italian Lady?
Claire's Mom?
Juliet?

...Isabelle?!?!


Nah. It'll prolly be Nikki. And her new husband will be Paolo.


Think Locke and Ben work at the same school as Arzt?
Isabelle?!!!

PalmerEldritch said...

hey! wtf! that lighthouse was weird and hokey. magic island indeed!

JoeSC said...

I'm thinking that every main character is gonna get to kick open a door at some point this season. Already we've seen Jack, Sayid and Kate do it. My money's on Frank doing it next.

Great episode. The parallels to White Rabbit were pretty amazing. They even had Jack picking up the spare key from under a white rabbit. Subtlety is sometimes overrated.

Clairousseau is just awesome. I never really like Claire, but I think all that's about to change. She's rocking a fur covered animal skeleton. Sweet! Could we actually see Claire kill the woman who delivered her baby twice (essentially)? I sure hope we don't have to wait long for that answer!

Jack losing his shit on the lighthouse mirror make me think about Jack in the first few episodes of Season 3. The Others broke him, but then he came back at the end of the season and turned into a badass again. I have a feeling the same's going to happen with him and Jacob.

Locke was only in the episode for 5 seconds and still killed it. Are we in for a war of Flocke and the Losties (sans Jack and Hurley) vs. The Others? If I'm starting a war on that island, I'd sure as shit want Kamikaze Saywer, Zombie Sayid, Flocke / Smokey and a hatchet wielding Clairousseau on my side. Well played sir. Well played.

Oh, and about the names and numbers, I'm starting to think that the cave from last week is actually Flocke's and he and Jacob each have a "scorecard" they use to keep track of the players in this whole thing.

Refuse to watch the preview for next week, but I have to agree that 108 on the Lighthouse Dial (wouldn't that be a cool radio station?) has to be Desmond. If it's anyone else I'm going to be supremely disappointed (unless it's taller Ghost Walt).

I like LOST.

JoeSC said...

Palmer - I agree the lighthouse seemed a little hokey. It felt like it had this weird glow around it that made it seem really "magical," but really, really fake. It was still a pretty cool scene, though.

Holder said...

108 was Wallace and it was crossed out. Unless I saw it wrong...

Stephanie said...

I like Lost.

PalmerEldritch said...

me too!!!

mb said...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

M***R F***ING G*D DAMN A** S**T WHAT THE F***

MY DVR DIDN'T F**KING GO! NO REASON - JUST DECIDED TO F**K ME.

I take that back....sort of. I think our power went out sometime today. But all my scheduled recordings are still there! The DVR was ON at 9pm! WHAT. THE. FUCK?!?!?

When the hell does ABC make the ep. avail. to watch?


/sorry you had to see me like that folks

Jordan said...

Who's Wallace?

"Where's Wallace, String?!!!"

Tha Kid said...

They bring back BLT and then kill him off again.

Flocke being Claire's friend was kinda obvious, but does this mean that Christian and Flocke co-exist?

They are really forcing the viewers against Flocke, but what kind of creep spies on kids? Plus once again Jacob manipulates people to get them to where he wants them to be. Like they're chess pieces. While Jacob will turn out to be the "good guy," everything we have learned about Jacob makes him out to be evil and creepy.

Put it this way, which guy would you trust to babysit your kid(s) Jacob or Locke?

Jordan said...

Was I the only one who was hoping that Bai Ling was going to show up as Dogun's wife in the flash?

mb said...

Whew - sometimes the magic box is a lifesaver. But now it's fraking 1am and I'm going to be exhausted tomorrow (YES - it's ABC's fault - I had no choice here - like I'm NOT gonna watch on LosTuesday when there's a chance to - pffft)

Pretty damn fine episode :) Moved stuff along, finally got to see Claire in all her "infected" glory, and nice WTF with David Shepherd.
Jack's story with him actually choked me up :_( I like the idea of Juliet as the ex-wife who them meets and goes for Sawyer. Awesome.

Great trek thru the jungle with Hurley and Jack and I'm really liking the Jacob/Hurley convos.

Put it this way, which guy would you trust to babysit your kid(s) Jacob or Locke?

Um, is that a trick question?
Cause "neither" would be my unconditional answer.

I'll restate my previous thought (can't remember which thread) that the big difference between these guys in my eyes is that one judges, and the other doesn't.

The show seems to be trying to put a freewill vs. fatalism spin on the Jacob/MiB relationship and I think we'll have to see how that plays out as more info is given.

Kid -
you were holding up the fact that Jacob allowed the purge to happen as some evidence of his evilness, and I'm not sure you're wrong, but I was trying to remember - did Ben or the Others say that the Purge was ordered by Jacob? And if they did, was it Ben who said so? I thought it had become pretty clear that while Jacob gave out lists of names to the Others (candidates I assume), any "orders" were cooked up by Ben to maintain control. If I'm wrong never mind, but I'm thinking that Jacob didn't have anything to do with the purge. Ben led it, and Ben lies. The only interfering Jacob's done so far was touch the Losties and help the Black Rock get to the island, and we're not sure what that meant. IS it manipulation? Did he just plant a suggestion somewhere in their minds that steered them eventually to the island. Or did they really have no choice as MiB says?

(sigh) nice to be asking big questions :) I like Lost.

scrdmnkydst said...

Wow. Such a good episode. Well... a 3/4 of it was great. The bits with Island Jack being a massive douche was incredibly annoying, for me at least... but I enjoyed everything else incredibly so.

Has Flocke just left Sawyer in that cave to dawdle at the ceiling while he went to visit Claire?

Episode 7 of season 1 was a Charlie episode... I wonder if episode 7 of season 6 is going to be a Charlie episode? HMMMM.

scrdmnkydst said...

...I do realise that episode 7 isn't next week though.

scrdmnkydst said...

hahahaha i just saw that this episode was the 108th episode, counting each hour as a single episode.

This tickled me for some reason.

memphish said...

If Jacob is looking for Young Wallace he's going to be waiting a while. (The Wire reference for those of you who still haven't watched that.)

As for The Purge, Ben was not the leader at the time of The Purge. It seems from the flashbacks we've gotten that Charles Widmore was the leader at that time. It would seem an idea like the Purge would have had to be run by Jacob or come from Jacob though to convince the Others to do it, but we've never seen anyone claim that Jacob told them to perpetrate the Purge.

Holli

memphish said...

Here's Austen. I'm still calling shenanigans on that. Guess Flocke didn't show that to Ford so it wouldn't distract him. And here's Wallace at 108.

Holli

Stephanie said...

I've decided it's not important who Jack's ex is. I assume it's Sarah but if the show wanted us to know they would have mentioned her name.

Could they have casted a better mini-Jack? No. But I think the kid's hair was darkened. Or it was a wig.

I enjoyed hearing Hurley be all nostalgic for season one much better than the non-verbal season one reminders.

PalmerEldritch said...

methinks Jacob didnt have time to cross off Austen on the lighthouse list before whatever happened happened.

steph, i think you're right that "it doesn't matter" is the real answer to Davey Shephard's mom's identity. but it'd be funny if it was someone odd like AnaLucia's mom.

memphish said...

I think David's mom is Libby. Actually I think it doesn't matter. The blue eyes were a shoutout to Christian Shephard and Claire. I was hoping for more of a cross between Jack and Claire in the sideways world already, but I guess it will have to wait until the "Raised By Another" equivalent episode.

Has anyone seen a translation of Dogen's Japanese to Hurley yet?

I feel like I need a large felt board Island to keep track of the players at this point. We've got the Temple with the Temple Others plus Miles and Sayid. We've got Flocke with Sawyer and now Claire and Jin and bone and fur Aaron (that was super creepy.) We've got Ben, Ilana, Frank and Sun heading to the Temple. Richard heading to the Temple. Kate looking for Claire. And Jack and Hurley at the Lighthouse, away from the Temple per Jacob's wishes, and potentially someone coming to the Island. We've also got an entire Hydra Island teeming with Ajira 316ers but no one seems to be interested in them.

Holli

scrdmnkydst said...

Holli, Lostpedia says that the japanese stuff that Dogen says to Hurley in the temple's corridor is "You're lucky that I have to protect you. Otherwise I'd have cut your head off."

PalmerEldritch said...

here's a good pic of Bone and Fur Aaron: Clicky Clicky

/maybe not

memphish said...

You think Claire could have found one of the dolls to use, don't you? Something about those bones reminded me of Dark Tower. Can't quite place it, but in the 1000s of pages it covered there must have been something like that.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

it was the skull of that hamster sitting in the lap of annie in the painting on ben's wall.

aimee is lost said...

- Kinda sad that Austen was on the list.

- I almost threw something at my TV when Jack smashed the mirrors, but instead opted for screaming "YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT JACK!", causing Chile Biscuit's ears to fold back & tail go between her legs.

- I don't think Sara is the baby mama; David is a teenager, and Sara would have had to come into the picture waaaay earlier in order to make some baby.

- Had to change my diaper after seeing Dogen at the recital. I don't know why but I love that dude. Jack as Jack should be.

- Crazy Claire is funny. I wish I had an imaginary skeleton baby.

- Hurley is the shit.

- Jacob = Obi Wan Kenobi = LOL.

- Wallace?

aimee is lost said...

Maybe it's Sir William Wallace. Mel Gibson in a kilt with his face painted, running around the island screaming "freedom!".

Sounds about right.

Kyle from Kentucky said...

the next time I hear the blah blah song start up im driving off a cliff

Ralph- said...

Fuck all these intertwining of island characters in these flash sideways. There is no purpose behind it, other than to see people out of their elements.

by the way, that episode kicked ass!!!

What is with the long "reveals"? i fucking know who they are, why dont they just turn around already?

Ralph- said...

If you were wondering if the Dharmalars would return. Here is your answer! http://tinyurl.com/DharmalarsFinale

aimee is lost said...

Don't be grumpy, Ralph.

Ralph- said...

I loved this episode, but this whole intertwining is getting out of hand. Does John's Interviewer really need to be Hurley's fortuneteller?

aimee is lost said...

I think it's amusing, but I do sometimes need to remind myself to just sit back & enjoy the ride. Sometimes we reach a point where we become more of a critic than a fan, and as much as I like to tear Lost a new hole sometimes, my being a fan will always outrank it.

Tha Kid said...

Henceforth Flocke will be referred to as Locke by me.

I too was pissed Jack destroyed the mirrors but hope he at least realized Jacob is creepy and joins up with Locke and Co.

Re: the Purge
Ben was still living with Dharma so I think CW was in charge.

Anyway, Richard is the guy who gives Jacob's orders to the leader of the Others. Richard clearly is on Jacob's side and against Locke so it wouldn't make sense for him to go to business for himself.

Also, if you watch the scene when Ben comes back to the Barracks, it seems like he regrets what he has done when he's looking at Horace's dead body. Also he is against killing Russo, one person. Why would Ben ok killing the entire Dharma Initiative?

Maybe it was Widmore's call (it matches something he'd order). But why would the rest of the Others follow an order to slaughter hundreds of innocent men, women and children just because Charles said so?

Purging Dharma must at least sound like something Jacob would want or else the Others wouldn't have followed the order. I still believe Jacob ordered the purge.

I guess Jacob was "protecting" the island from Dharma and was like, Fuck it! Kill them all. Let God sort them out.

Tha Kid said...

I don't understand why people are bent out of shape over the off island stuff.

Go watch any season of Lost and the off island story, especially in flashbacks, adds nothing to the island story. It's character development.

These flash sideways are also showing the characteristics of our characters just under a slightly different narrative.

Tha Kid said...

Did I just write "bent out of shape?" WTF!?

aimee is lost said...

We need a freaking name for Flocke. I'm tired of hanging in suspense. Why would they be withholding it from us for this long? Is it going to be that significant? A NAME?

If the reveal of his name doesn't blow my mind, or give me an aneurism, I'm going to be very disappointed.

JoeSC said...

Yeah Ralph, I was fuckin' stoked when I heard that on J&J this morning! I was already donating, but I think I may have to sweeten the pot significantly.

aimee is lost said...

I think Flocke's name should be: _______

aimee is lost said...

Alf.

aimee is lost said...

George.

JoeSC said...

Aimee - I couldn't agree more about Flocke. There's no reason they would go to such great lengths to keep his name secret if it wasn't a pretty big reveal.

It just better not disappoint because this 50 different names for the guy is driving me NUTS!

Tha Kid said...

I actually had the *SPOILER ALERT* "Identity" theory that Jacob and MiB were the same person up until Jacob and Locke were both in the Foot of the Statue together.

It's really not going to make sense if they have Jacob be both Locke and the Creepy guy.

Tha Kid said...

Then again, that movie didn't make sense.

mb said...

I agree Kid - off-island stuff is good character coloring/development - that's always what it's purpose has been.

"But why would the rest of the Others follow an order to slaughter hundreds of innocent men, women and children just because Charles said so? "

Absolutely. It has always seemed to me that the only people who ACTUALLY listen and act on what Jacob says (or for Ben - what he says Jacob says) are Richard and Ben, with Richard SEEMING to have the closest relationship (we still don't know what contact he has ever had with Jacob - it seems like they must have met at least once though - i.e. when Jacob gave him his longevity). The rest of the others play "Follow the Leader", they don't question.
Widmore even seemed to be at odds with Jacob's will (or at least what Richard SAID Jacob's will was) when Ben was taken to the temple, perhaps his prime loyalty is not to what Jacob says.
My point being that I think Charles could easily have ordered the Purge (He doesn't have any problem killing to "protect the island") and everyone would have followed. I don't know - maybe it was Jacob's idea after all- we don't really know. But considering his speech to Hurley this week about how you have to let people work out what they have to work out in their own way (i.e. Jack throwing tantrum and smashing the Lighthouse and then brooding on a hillside) I can't really see him ORDERING the Purge, but probably not stopping Charles, and allowing it (and it's consequences) to happen.

mb said...

"when Ben was taken to the temple"
should have read: when YOUNG Ben was taken to the temple

memphish said...

I'm bent out of shape over the off Island stuff cause it isn't character development it's character revision. They are going out of their way to show us that the circumstances that shaped these X-verse people are very different from those in the original timeline and due to these different circumstances while some things remain the same, other major things change like Locke's acceptance of both his father and his paralysis and Jack's newly gotten over fathering issues. (Kate, well not so much.) And since it's the different circumstances that are producing these more mature people, then how does that relate to the same immature people on the Island who are still influenced and shaped by the first set of circumstances we saw?

That's my beef with it and the more I stew on it the less happy I get. Damon Lindeloff can say all he wants that it's not alternate, but he's failed to prove to me otherwise through 5 hours. I signed up to watch LOST as individual episodes roll out of the can, not to have to rewatch LOST once they tell me how this X-verse relates.

So for the most part I'm now trying just to watch the episodes and not think about it too much. But after 4 years (I watched S1 on DVD) of thinking too much about LOST it's hard to stop. Off to distract myself with hockey.

Holli

Tha Kid said...

LOL! Bent out of shape.

Holli, it is character development. You are still you whether you're in Kansas, LA, or LA X.

I understand what you mean, this is not character development in the classical sense. It is not in addition to what we saw in previous flashback (we don't think). But it's still these same characters living and showing how they act in a narrative. It's not as if they are all new characters.

MB, the Others wouldn't carry an act out without thinking Jacob ordered or OKed it.

Richard was on board with the purge. He gets the orders from Jacob for the leader, so at least Richard would have been working with Widmore in pretending that Jacob ordered a purge.

Richard fears Locke and is on Jacob's balls, I just can't see Richard going to business for himself.

scrdmnkydst said...

I don't see why Flocke's name shouls be some sort of massive mystery?

Unless it's something like Satan or someone that we already know in the show, it's obviously going to be anticlimactic.

memphish said...

I disagree Kid. I'm not the same person I would be if I hadn't had a kid. Significant changes have been made in the Xverse and while these people are familiar, they are different. But that's minor and we can continue to agree to disagree.

My biggest problem still is that the Verses don't seem to inform each other which leaves me feeling a) that the X verse is a mere what if or worse b) that Jacob totally screwed these people over when he brought them to the Island given that everyone but Desmond who has ever been there is now dead or pretty miserable and still stuck on the Island, well Walt and Aaron are excluded from that too.

I'm still hoping (though with low expectations) that the creators will turn it around for me. But right now I'm feeling pretty underwhelmed with what they've given us so far. The fact that Jacob keeps tricking them to get them to do stuff he wants is ticking me off too. Hey, maybe that's the point. This Island and it's "leaders" are so horrid that I'll want it to sink to the bottom of the ocean and then only remember the more happy lives of these people in the X-verse. I'll just wipe all their weak, pathetic, and whatever else it was Mikael called them, lives from my memory (and DVD chest) and move on.

Holli

andrew. said...

- i'm a terrible lost fan. last night, while watching, i fell asleep 40 minutes in. not a commentary on the quality of the episode, just exhausted.

- i think Lapidus is going to be the new Jacob. Ilana and crew nominated him a 'candidate' and he's a character who doesn't really need a slow motion montage resolution of him returning to his life pre-island. And he's awesome.

- i really liked the lighthouse wheel with all of the names penciled in. It reminded me of 1950's popular mechanics. It does make the list of names in the cave kind of redundant, unless that was smokey's own crib notes of the candidate list.
Listened to TLI yesterday, and i don't know if they showed the lowest numbers on the wheel last night but Cindy Chandler #1!!!

- loved Claire's creepy baby totem. Didn't love her acting for the most part, but did like the way she delivered the line 'you're still my friend aren't you Jin?' it struck a great balance of innocent and malevolent.

- Was a little mixed on Dogen being in Jack's sideflash. It was fun seeing him, but i want to imagine Dogen being more of a Richard Alpert type character. if not from pre-20th century Japan, at least coming to the island before the 90's & being from some place other than Los Angeles

- Hurley was great. He's so established as an affable character that tptb no longer have to make him homer-simpson-stupid to be funny. i enjoy his chemistry with Jacob, because he stands up to him a lot.

- I've never liked Hurley's music cue. The intentionally silly theme has never fit the tone of the show. Even when it's setting up a scene of comic relief, like Cheech making his sandwich, it's felt too on-the-nose & like an entirely different show. Last night, the scene when Hurley walked over to Jack at the temple was completely undermined by the 'ha-ha-hee-hee' music.

- may have been my bleary eyes, but didn't it seem like there were more than 2 bodies in the caves?

- when they showed the opening shot of Jack & Christian photos, i was thinking 'oh shit a Christian-centric episode!' would love for that to happen!

- i'm hoping we find out about the true nature of 'the infection' in a scene where Claire forgives Kate for taking her baybeee and, in that moment of relief, when they're hugging it out, she introduces a tomahawk! It's not even that I hate Kate enough to want to see her meet a grizzly end; I just want Claire to be revealed to be completely evil.

- it was amazing that tptb could make that shitty episode where Jack has appendicitis relevent.

- Also amazing that LOST has basically boiled down to a dramatic version of Survivor, with characters competing, forming aliances & getting voted off the list, since I seem to remember that being the premise that ABC hired Abrahms to tackle. It's awesome that such an amazing sci-fi fantasy show came from such a shitty concept!!

Stephanie said...

I'm setting aside 20 bucks right now for ralph-'s time.

Jordan said...

Regarding the great Holli-Kid LA X debate. I tend to agree more with tha Kid. At least that's how I view the show and the side flashes. That said, I will by no means say that Holli is wrong. One, so as to not incur her wrath. :P But mainly, perception is in the eye of the beholder. Or the beviewer in this case. Everyone's got their own take on what they like and dislike. What storytelling devices or crutches they can buy and which they won't. Some people can go to certain places that others rather not.

Myself for example. I'm going to be really annoyed if any Losties ever encounter their other selves at any point in the season. But some people out there might like that kind of thing. It all comes down to what you're looking for with the story and show.

My main reason for seeing things more like That Kid is I see everything as one giant character tapestry. Yes, maybe specifics are different and things change in the X verse. But at the crux of everything, regardless of said changes, at the end of the day these characters are the same people. They all have undeniable character traits and truths. That is their story. These alt-flashes are just showing other angles and perspectives to the overall characters.

Take as an example this episode with Jack and his kid. I kinda wasn't all that able to connect with the relationship when the kid was the character of focus. When the camera would show him, I could care less. But the moment it would change to Jack, I was back on board. Reason being, that story wasn't able this son of his. It was about Jack and his issues he's had with his father. As the viewer there is zero reason to care about Jack Jr. But when you see Jack say the words to his son that he never got to hear from his own father, that there is character development and catharsis. This was Jack's therapy session where he got to A) deal with his feelings towards his father, * B) prove to himself that he is not his father. Kid or no kid, these are things that Jack the character has needed to deal with for some time.

Yes, it took place in an alt-reality. And if one chooses to look at the story arcs in a very literal & linear sense, it's not going to fully add up. But at this point in this crazy show of time-traveling, magical islands, supernatural beings, and alternate realities, I can't see how you can look at it that simply any longer. The show thematically is so deeper than 'making sense' at this point. But that's just my own personal take.

memphish said...

I don't mean to come off wrathful. I don't think I'm giving that vibe. Sorry if I am.

But what I want is for Island Jack to have that father catharsis, not a Jack that had another 40 years to get it right with his dad, but blew it again, and yet might get it with his son, but we'll never really know because we saw 5 minutes of that life. That's not satisfying to me. I'm glad it works for some of you, but to me it feels like a cheap cop-out to have it both ways.

Holli

Jordan said...

The wrath comment was meant to be tongue in cheek. Hence the silly :P afterward.

Totally get what you're saying, Holli. It's just a matter of you viewing them as two different people & others viewing it as basically the same Jack. One has to take a bit more of a grander, more existential view for it to work that way. And like I said, neither way is wrong. All comes down to how a person interprets the goings on.

JoeSC said...

Could this be Jack's ex and little David's mother?

At least it wasn't Bai Ling.

Tha Kid said...

Speaking of X verses, I just finished watching Justice League Crisis on Two Earths. One of my friends also gave me a DVD of a CW Ninja Turtles thing called Turtles Forever. That too had to do with alternate realities. That's 3 alt verse things I've seen in 2010.

Anyway, Holli there are different ways to look at it.

Every choice you make makes you who you are. Making just 1 different choice changes who you are. I guess they kind of talked about this in the movie I was watching too. Every time you make a choice you technically are creating a new universe, one in which you make the choice and one where you don't.

I look at it as this is this world's version of Holli. It can't be the same as the other world because the world is different.

LA X is a world where Jacob did not mess with them when they were kids and who knows what Jacob did to other people. Maybe Jacob touched Jack's dad or grand dad. Jacob not existing/the island being under water totally changes this world.

And yes, the fact that everyone's life is better without Jacob in it is just another reason that I am anti-Jacob.

Tha Kid said...

Anyway, the point was that yes this Jack is not the same as our Jack, but this is how Jack would be if the Island didn't exist or Jacob didn't exist.

memphish said...

Awesome photo

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

holy fuck. today sucks. almost over though.

happy birthday, ben!

Tha Kid said...

They need to start showing Mr. Belvedere on TV again.

Doesn't TVLand exist to have cool old school shows? I don't even think they show Gilligan's Island or Batman anymore.

Holder said...

I was listening to a podcast called Rethinking LOST about the episode The Substitute. One of the guys was talking about Charlie's DS Driveshaft ring. Apparently it had been passed down thru the family to Charlie, I dunno if that part is true...I don't really remember that ep. Anyways the podcaster was saying someone with the initials DS could have been Charlie's grandfather on his mother's side or something. Then in Lighthouse we meet...David Shephard. (Now that I've written it, it sounds ridiculous). But Jack just happens to have a son now and his name happens to be David? Just wanted to throw this theory out there. Thoughts?

JoeSC said...

I may be completely wrong on this, but I think the "DS" on Charlie's ring stood for Dexter Stratton. Anyone care to confirm?

Holder said...

Oh, damn. Well here's another theory. Dexter Stratton was on the Black Rock. He finds a ring on the island which happens to bear his initials. He passes it down through his family. Mobius strip.

Or something else...Dexter Stratton is MiB?

I dunno why I'm obsessing over this ring, but I really think Charlie/the ring will come into play at a pivotal moment in the final season.

JoeSC said...

Here's Dexter's Lostpedia entry.

It's not much...

PalmerEldritch said...

DS = DARK SMOKE

WTF?!


nah, just kidding. it stands for Donald Sutherland.

man, i was busy at work today. no time for the blogspot. thumbs down to work.

what's up, gang?

i'm currently 77 podcasts behind on iTunes. hrmmm... not sure whether to power through it somehow or to cull my subscriptions.

Holder said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8cGh9NCCOI&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=82EDD56A0B1F6BAA

actually a funny season 5 lost parody if anyone is interested.

Kyle from Kentucky said...

So I'm driving home from work and i'm about 30 miles from home when this grey intrepid stops in the middle of the road then speeds off. It's dark so I couldnt see what the hell happened then when I get close to the spot I slammed on the brakes because they dropped off a puppy with a brokn leg in the middle of the road. It was so pitiful because it was whimpering and trying to drag itself across the road onits front legs. So I picked the poor thing up and put it in the back of the truck and waited and waited because I thought somebodymight know if the car was from around there or not. Nobody knew. Then a cop came. I asked him about it he said does it have a tag. No. Says "Well good luck" Well thanks for the advice. Mr. Public servant. So I took it home and cleaned it off took it to the vet got the leg set got the puppy shots $325. Jeez

I really didn't want another dog at all but what else could I do with the poor thing its just a baby that got run over the tossed out on another road.

His name is Mr. Eko

Do not mistake coincidence for fate.

JoeSC said...

Broken legs? Would Locke be a more appropriate name? Nah... that puppy would grow up to have all kinds of issues.

andrew. said...

- big ups Kyle for being the good samaritan. I hope Mr. Eko brings you some love and happiness.

Jordan said...

Mr Eko is a great pet name.

Holder said...

Naming a pet "Mr. (insert name here)" is already freakin amazing. The fact that there's a Lost angle added on to it makes it even better. Brilliant.

Tha Kid said...

Neat story. Maybe in an alt verse Mr. Eko saved your life. Way to pay him back.

memphish said...

Way to go Kyle! Warn Mr. Eko not to stare down any smokey blobs in the jungles of Kentucky.

Holli

laughrey said...

Kyle you are the man. May kindness be shown to you ten fold. And pat Mr. Eko for me

Stephanie said...

My mom's co-worker came in Wednesday morning saying "I didn't know Jack had a son. He never mentioned it before."

memphish said...

Priceless.

Holli

Jordan said...

INSOMNIA!!!!!!!!!!!

Stephanie said...

Get up at 5 am. You will have no problem going to sleep.

JoeSC said...

KWON-BLAMO!!!

Happy Saturday Blogspot! Only 4 days to LOSTuesday!

You West-Coasters take care. Just heard they extended the Tsunami Warning to Oregon.

Holder said...

Not to sound insensitive, but will the tsunami effect Lost filming?

JoeSC said...

I think it will only affect the filming if it actually does damage to any sets they need for the last few episodes.

memphish said...

Freaking A! Happy Birthday Aimee!

Holli

JoeSC said...

Happy Birthday Aimee! May you be eternally touched by Jacob.

Kelly Jo said...

Happy Birthday Aimee!

Brad said...

Aimee:
Hope your Birthday Rocks
I can't stop writing haikus
This one is for you