Wednesday, March 21, 2007

The Man From Tallahassee - Episode Discussion














What could be better than a rose on your piano?

111 comments:

Scott and Steve said...

Who would have thought, Chief Osceola, the Florida State mascot was to blame for Locke's paralysis?

-CRAIG

Ralph- said...

and to be in cahoots with Craig T. Nelson, at that!

memphish said...

So Locke was lying around midfield and Chief Osceola speared him? Is that the idea, because I can completely get behind that. Maybe the horse trampled him. That would work for me too. And since it's FSU, Burt Reynolds is probably involved as well.

Holli

Scott and Steve said...

That would make Bobby Bowden Jacob, then.

aimee in little rock said...

Place your bets gentlemen!

memphish said...

It's all in Locke's head, Burt Reynolds is Jacob, this is all Smokey and the Bandit on an Island and a cat fight.

aimee in little rock said...

I told you in the last thread, it's just like Talladega Nights.

Mennoman said...

Already seen it at 8 o'clock and it was amazing. The whole thing the island story and the flashbacks were both awesome! These are consistently great episodes that they keep shooting out.

Scott and Steve said...

Wrigs is captivated by Lost tonight. He loved Locke's joker-like grin.

Andie

aimee in little rock said...

Haha. Yeah right. It was Kate he was captivated by!

memphish said...

I was wrong.

Casey D said...

first off, that ending was fucking nuts

second, I am officially banning "next week on lost"
those fucking assholes give away everything

aimee in little rock said...

Wow, that was some amazing Lost. I think that's a contender for one of the best episodes I've ever seen.

Mike, I know you must have been thinking the same thing as me, as well as anyone else who has already read The Third Policeman. There is a reason that book was featured, and we finally learned tonight.

I was NOT disappointed by the squiggly legs scene. That was freaking awesome.

stephsmith said...

A box? Anthony Cooper? What? I'm so confused and I'm loving it.

Scott and Steve said...

So what's The Third Policeman connection?

PalmerEldritch said...

So... Locke's dad or crazy Smoke Munster in cahoots with the Others to get Locke over his daddy issues?

Hopefully, it's just his dad. And gimme the "The Third Policeman" connection before I have to Wikipedia it. After all, I did give you the link to the polar bear. :)

Obsidianrock said...

WOW! What an episode, Locke is definitly back. I am officialy stump as to how "The Man from Tallahassee" is on the island. Has he worked for dharma the whole time?

Can't wait to hear what all you podcasters have to say.

L8r

Obsidianrock said...

Come on Aimee, give it up!

memphish said...

The Third Policeman baffled me. Check out this link about a Hieronymous machine.

Anonymous said...

This episode was made of love, win, and all good things.

stephsmith said...

I got the feeling Locke showed up to blow up the sub just because Ben willed it to happen. Anyone else thinking that?

Obsidianrock said...

I think Ben seems to be very lucky 'cause everyone seems to be doing all his dirty work for him, or maybe he just willed it to happen. What do I know?

Mike Campbell said...

....

i should have paused it after the Tackle scene. My brain wasn't ready for that ending. I am lucky i found my way to the computer...

memphish said...

Read about the machine. It's like a magic lamp. I think you are definitely on the right track Steph.

Holli

Scott and Steve said...

That link is crazy, Holli. Did you read the customer testimonials?

memphish said...

Yeah, a guy on another blog found this back during the Desmond episode when it turned out Charlie's middle name was Hieronymous. We're starting a collection to buy one.

Holli

Atl Max said...

sick ass episode craig have you hung up the microphone forever?

stephsmith said...

I think Lost is calling you out, Craig and Ryan.

What an amazing shot of Locke looking down into the sub just like the he did the Swan. Jack Bender is the best.

memphish said...

Agree Steph. The minute I saw Jack Bender was directing I went yeah!

Holli

Bune said...

What an awesome episode. Best this season by far.

goofball said...

I laughed, I cried, IT WAS BETTER THAN CATS! I'd see it again and again.....

Ralph- said...

HOLY SHIT!!! MICHAEL GIACCHINO IS A GENIUS!!!

he totally played the Medal of Honor theme when Locke was in the Submarine!!

That was totally for film music lovers. Thanks Michael Giacchino!!!

Jon said...

so if the sub was the only way off the island, how fucked that michael is!

MB said...

Wow, holy shhhhhhite, dayum ...NICE show!

SO:
- The Mittleos Bio/Others connection is cemented, right? With the apearance of Richard (who recruited Juliet). I wonder if it's a working relationship or if they are one in the same.

- Danielle, while she still isn't telling us some major shit I'm sure, did seem to be genuinely moved by seeing Alex. So it would seem she has NOT been in contact with these people for the last 16 years (plus Alex thought she was dead).

- Locke did kick ass here, but what WAS his reason for blowing up the sub? Is he trying to trap Ben on the island so he can force Ben to show him more stuff about the island?

- Did Anthony Cooper pop out of the Island's box (that's what she said...) or what?

Holy CRAP - many many questions as usual.
I predict 50 more posts by the time I get back on here tomorrow morning.

MB said...

Holli - that Hieronymus box IS eerily a bit like the island's box that Ben described. Pretty wild.

RE: Why Locke blew up the Sub - I just went back and watched Locke telling Ben that The Others didn't respect the island. So perhaps, this was simply Locke's way of meting out punishment, or teaching them a lesson? That seems like something Locke would do - he took that role with Charlie, and he does seem to have some connection with the Island - unique among the charcters we've seen - so I can totally see him feel like he is the sole arbitrator of what he thinks/knows the island needs/wants.

Also, the way Ben described how the box gives you anything you imagine made me immediately think of the smoke monster and how it sort of downloaded info from Eko. Then in "Cost of Living" Yemi appears - so IS the smoke monster 'the box'? Is it in the box (that's what she said again) or connected to it. It's interesting because my very first theory about the island, when they were all on the beach the first night and hearing the huge sounds coming out of the forest (many assume it was the smoke monster), was that the island was like a mirror and maybe would produce what you were feeling thinking. And as Jack started having visions of his Dad, and someone else saw a man down the beach from them (Rose maybe?), and everyone thought they saw someone out in the water (drowning I think), it seemed to support that idea.

I wonder if the hatch implosion has had any effect on the box?

stephsmith said...

Others than Ben were born on the island but some haven't made a full commitment yet, such as Tom.

Who killed the Talbot kid? If he was desperate enough to push Locke out the window maybe Cooper did.

Sayid has petty nails.

PalmerEldritch said...

Aimee!!! After all of our theorizing on Locke's new job, those bastards go and put him on Disability. Yeesh!

aimee in little rock said...

The Third Policeman featured a similar kind of "box" from which you could create anything you desired. It contained a substance called "omnium". This seems exactly what Ben was describing last night.

It's been a while since I read it, but if I remember correctly, I think the trick was, you couldn't take whatever it was out of the room or something.

aimee in little rock said...

So basically, you could "create" a million dollars, but it would never do you any good because you couldn't take it out of there.

So I think the appearance of Anthony Cooper in the box wasn't exactly what you might think.

PalmerEldritch said...

"Nobody wants an Anthony Cooper in the box!"

/Island of Misfit Toys
//also "what she said"

memphish said...

Oh yeah Aimee. Now I remember the box thing. So you can wish for things but you can't take them off the island or use them to get off the island.

I don't think Smokey is the box; I think Smokey guards the box like Cerberus guards Hades.

Holli

aimee in little rock said...

I don't know; it sort of seemed like the man from Tallahassee guarded the box. Or at least had the key to the box.

PalmerEldritch said...

Perhaps the box is just a metaphor for the Island itself. You can get all the stuff you wish for (a spinal surgeon from the sky, the ability to walk, a Man From Tallahassee) but since you can't leave the Island, the Island is analogous to that there Third Policeman Box.

PalmerEldritch said...

The question would be... How did Anthony Cooper get to the Island? Was he flying or boating by when the Magnetic Event happened when Locke refused to enter the code in the Swan? Or did he just "appear?"

aimee in little rock said...

Palmer, that's what the box is. It has the ability to manifest anything you desire. Transportation isn't an issue. Things just "are".

aimee in little rock said...

If Locke had been thinking of a polar bear or an Abba Zabba when he was standing there, that's what would've appeared instead of Anthony Cooper tied and bound.

PalmerEldritch said...

Was the real Anthony Cooper just "magicked" onto the Island in a flash? Did the Island create an (additional) Anthony Cooper in a flash?

Or did the Others find Cooper running around the Island (presumably after a hot air balloon, boat, or plane crash) a few days ago? Ben did ask Tom to bring "The Man from Tallahassee."

It's fun to have so many possible theories, eh?

aimee in little rock said...

Well it's obviously too early to say for sure, but given that The Third Policeman was featured so prominently in the show, it's almost too much of a coincidence. I don't think they found him on the island though.

PalmerEldritch said...

that mean I get bragging rights if they did? :)

t-dot kim said...

My brain hurts.

aimee in little rock said...

That would be pretty freaking funny if he did land himself on the island, wouldn't it?

PalmerEldritch said...

Conned his way to his own private jet and then "Oops! Magnetically pulled to CrazyAss Island!"

aimee in little rock said...

I still have the image of him shoving Locke through the glass stuck in my head - BAM! He falls 8 stories and survives.

Jack and Kate were sooo going to make out if Juliet hadn't interrupted. That stupid cow.

I'm really into seeing what's going to happen with Rousseau now. That was a great reaction on her part in seeing Alex; it seemed genuine, and I was really happy for her. But I still don't trust her at all.

memphish said...

Aimee, I think it was a good thing Juliet came in (and I'm a Jater) because it kept Jack from saying "oh yeah, what at the little cage match you had with Sawyer?" I'm just glad Jack and Juliet weren't magically in love after one week. I was so not going to buy that. Jack is very relationship challenged even with prostitutes as Ben and Ralph like to point out.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

I think Jack was hoping that Juliet would just join in.

aimee in little rock said...

I'm not a Juliacker by any means, but I wouldn't stop a little menage a trois action. Sawyer's getting all the booty on the island, so Jack needs to play catch up.

memphish said...

Amen to that sister!

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

I think any woman who made out with Jack would have her face ripped apart by his manly stubble. It'd be like kissing an orbital sander.

An orbital sander with a coconut head.

memphish said...

Does that explain Bai Ling Palmer?

aimee in little rock said...

For some reason, I think kissing Jack would be like kissing the man from Mars. Memphish, you know what I'm talking about here.

(giggles like a schoolgirl)

memphish said...

Dang it Aimee! You're hurting me now.

Holli

aimee in little rock said...

That's just how my Jack imagination works. I'm not even a Jater, which is the funniest part. Maybe I should be.

That description though (the kiss) was probably one of the most lingering literary moments I've ever read. I'll compare every kiss to that from now on.

memphish said...

Poor Brian. This talk about kissing Jack reminds me of the Mountain Man sketch when Matthew Fox was on Saturday Night Live. I can't find a link to it, but basically all the women in the cast come up with an excuse to kiss ole coconut head.

PalmerEldritch said...

My complete and utter illiteracy puts me at a disadvantage in this conversation.

aimee in little rock said...

Oh no, I'm not talking about Matthew Fox. I'm talking about Jack the character.

memphish said...

Yeah, I know Aimee. Me too, especially after the incredibly creepy Men's Journal article on Matthew Fox which was probably the inspiration for the creepy Jack flashbacks.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

I'm hoping for a Philip K. Dick book reference on LOST sometime soon. Then Aimee can read "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch."

Ben's got her beat in that department.

Mike Campbell said...

So how are Ben and Sawyer going to get together so Ben can tell him the real sawyer is on the island?

aimee in little rock said...

If you could get your hands on that box you could just make the book appear.

Sawyer will "cowboy up" and launch a rescue mission to get his girlfriend. Unfortunately the only real men left on the beach are him and Jin. And Jin's going to be a baby-daddy soon, so he can't go. Sawyer will be forced to bring along Paulo, but Paulo gets eaten by the smoke munster when he's taking a poop. Somehow Ben will come into the picture. I don't know.

PalmerEldritch said...

mike, very carefully?

honestly, i'm not sure that sawyer ever will meet the real sawyer. maybe locke will just get him to admit his "sins" and he'll mention the name and the geographic location. then later on in a sawyer flashback episode, Locke can deliver the earth shattering news at a dramatically appropriate time.

"he ruined my life. he's responsible for the death of my family."
"he stole my kidney and pushed me out an eighth story window... and he's my father."

/dramatic music

PalmerEldritch said...

i really hope that Jimmy's right about Nikki and Paolo and that Paolo goes out to take a shit in the woods (we can call him Paolo-Bear) and he'll see something shocking (besides his stool).

aimee in little rock said...

I'll give Nikki some credit; she looks kinda smokin' hot in the promo photos. As for Paulo Bear, I can only associate him with either pooping, or Xerxes now.

PalmerEldritch said...

Well, Xerxes was wearing a golden diaper.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Widmore and Anthony Cooper both drink McCutcheon whiskey, the Official Whiskey of Evil™.

memphish said...

Was Aimee drinking the Official Whiskey of Evil when she recorded the last podcast?

Holli

aimee in little rock said...

It sure sounded like it, but no. I was drinking the appletinis of Evil.

PalmerEldritch said...

She was drunk on DHARMA Beer, the Official Beer of People Extremely Desperate for Any Available Beer™.

PalmerEldritch said...

Drunk on Apple Martinis?! Aimee, you never cease to amaze. Mean and green.

aimee in little rock said...

Yeah, how Zach Braff am I? Oh wait, I actually am a girl, so it's okay.

PalmerEldritch said...

The apple martinis shed a whole new light on your last podcast.

I had assumed you were drinking something rough and tumble. Now, we know you're a Girly Drink Drunk.

We'll all have to listen again with this new knowledge in mind.

aimee in little rock said...

Were you imagining me drinking some sort of "butch" drink and punching out skanks?

PalmerEldritch said...

Completely. You're a tough woman. Fighting skank-dancing bitches left and right. Then finishing off some brewskies. Right before you take off on your Harley. And jump a ravine in the American Southwest to some blaring rock n' roll music.

Which would mean drinking and driving, I guess. So, maybe it's better to having you as a Rough & Tumble Apple Martini drinker.

aimee in little rock said...

Fact: when I drink, I think every girl is a skank and/or slut. And when I think I'm "whispering" this to the person next to me, I'm not. I'm really shouting it.

aimee in little rock said...

Just for you Palmer: OKC

Ralph- said...

i am really busy right now. sorry i havent been able to keep up. but has anyone mentioned that maybe Locke is the one who flys by the window in "Numbers".

Also does making Cooper from Tallahassee, bring us closer to him being the actual Real Sawyer?

sorry if i am repeating.

back to work.

aimee in little rock said...

No, no one has mentioned that. Unless Hurley was mistaken and he just assumed someone committed suicide like he said, I guess that could be Locke.

aimee in little rock said...

And also assuming they have people living in condos as well as business offices in the same building too.

MB said...

Ralph, that would be darkly awesome if it was Locke flying by the window in Numbers - but I seem to remember that office looked like it was higher than 7 floors up - but I'm going on memory.

MB said...

Not to get off topic from this episode too much but RE: the preview for Exposé - I cannot WAIT to see what's up with SUN - does she kick Sawyer's ass? She can be a bad girl.

Elias said...

Whiskey of Evil sounds good to me!

Locke is harsh.

aimee in little rock said...

It could also be something they hadn't planned on back in season 1 though.

Anonymous said...

mb, good thing I snuck a peek at Next Week On Lost or I'd be mad at you. I don't even remember why Sun was grabbed.

SS

memphish said...

SS, for The Long Con. Don't see how Tokyo Rose is going to take out Red Neck Man, but in Chewy vs. Red Neck Man, I'd put my money on Chewy.

Holli

MB said...

Sorry SS - I'll stay on topic. Can the topic be how I'm still hoping somehow for a Dharma whipped topping fight?
And when Juliet interrupted Jack and Kate would have been a PUUURRRFECT time to break it out. I actually thought Kate was going to say something - "HEY! COULD YOU WAIT YOUR FREAKY ASS OUTSIDE?!?"
(sigh) oh well

aimee in little rock said...

She already had a pair of handcuffs. Add that with some whipped cream to the equation, and you've got a full on freak-fest.

PalmerEldritch said...

Best part of the freak fest is, Ben'd have it on tape thanks to the security camera. New revenue source for the Others: Internet pr0n!

Aimee, is the ginger fellow in those pics just some random guy or is that Craig?

MB said...

Oh yea guys! I think Ben's could have a new "Girls gone Wild" video - Fightin' Island Foxes!

aimee in little rock said...

That's a random guy. Craig is actually good looking.

Anonymous said...

awesome.
the episode had me guessing the whole time.
i thought Jack was going to leave the island and turn into a guest star. He'd show up in the Penny/Ice Station Zebra storyline. I thought that might have been the "jump the shark" moment the producers were refering to before season 3.
i also thought John Locke might kick it, but now that he's the one with all of the answers, he seems to have some survival coupons.

i think Ben was supposed to originally just be an Others henchman. He'd play the part of Henry Gail, get found out, and get offed like Mikail, probably prior to the end of Season 2. But Michael Emerson did such a great job and got such a favorable reaction that they made him into the Others 2nd in commmand. I think they did have Jacob and his list already planned. (offhand idea: Maybe Jacob is the island, and the Others are trying their best to please it/follow its orders)

going back to the Juliette episode and the bus "accident" it brings up the idea of wish fulfillment again. I'm fairly certain that the "box" is just a metaphor for the island's ability to make things happen. The island seems to have its own free will and metes out the destiny/probability changes at its own discretion.
Still, there are some methods of influence/control like the numbers or people like Walt.

I think the smoke monster is simply an extension of the island. It manifests things that it cannot get a hold of through probability manipulation. The island can't bring things/people back from the dead, so it manifests them through the black smoke.
Vincent's dead and is always a manifestation. That's why he does shit like bring people car keys and dope statues.

If Anthony "Sawyer" Cooper is still alive then he washed up on the shore. If he's dead then it's the smoke monster sitting in the chair. Since they had him locked in a room, i'm guessing that it's the real McCoy.

i'm being completely guilty of what i see other people doing all of the time and taking the information from the newest episode and treating it like the rosetta stone for the series. So i'll try to chill on that.

PS. the completely scientific answers to the show = out the window

I can't believe there's still another 8 episodes!!! So much shit can still go down before the end of season 3.

andrew.

aimee in little rock said...

What? Only 8 left? I feel like we're just getting started here.

There were sooo many books in Ben's room. That was so hot. I wish I could see what they were. What a lame thing to say.

Oh, and Adam Seward (Anthony Cooper's new pseudonym) is a linebacker for the Carolina Panthers.

PalmerEldritch said...

In his defense, Anthony Cooper does look like a professional football player.

Aimee has a book fetish. Gross! I hate learning.

aimee in little rock said...

It's not that I love learning. I just have an entertainment fetish, and books are so much fun!

Oh my gosh. I really am a freak. Quick, think about something cool. Umm, umm...

PalmerEldritch said...

Aimee, think of rock n' roll and fast cars! Quick!

aimee in little rock said...

If your mom thinks you're a nerd, does that mean you're cool?

PalmerEldritch said...

We are so close to 108. Let's go, gang! And where's Kim? :(

aimee in little rock said...

I don't know; she's changed shifts a little, so she could be flying up in her chopper!

I think that Locke & Ben make the best Lost couple ever - and I'm not trying to be funny or anything. I mean their on-screen chemistry as characters was so entertaining to watch. I think it's one of the reasons this is a front runner for best episode ever. Just because of those two.

Joe said...

consider this an assist to whoever wants post #108

PalmerEldritch said...

KABLAMO!

Anonymous said...

that lady that played the mark for Anthony Cooper's con got to appear in the background and in photographs. no dialogue. She needs a better agent.

andrew.

memphish said...

Andrew, she got one line about bigger flowers. I'd still hire a new agent.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

thanks, joe. now i feel accomplished.