Wednesday, March 28, 2007

Exposé - Episode Discussion



Discuss the episode here!

160 comments:

memphish said...

First again?

Nathalia

Ralph- said...

Well, i know that Aimee put in my name for the Brazilian Genrator, but my text got deleted. this is the name that just came up for me....

Rodrigo Cabral-

nice.

memphish said...

Eduardo Cavalcanti was your first name Ralph. It pretty much just makes you a boy or girl name and you can pick what you like. I like Nathalia Verga and I'm sticking with it.

Nathalia (aka Holli in Memphis)

Obsidianrock said...

nice pic!

PalmerEldritch said...

That picture is an optical illusion: if you look at it long enough, you can eventually see Nikki's face.

Casey D said...

so far, best episode ever

memphish said...

Didn't Billy Dee Williams do a bit on Jimmy Kimmel about LOST?

Nathalia

NATTAD (Nikki and Tricia Tanaka Are Dead)

aimee in little rock said...

All I wanna do is zooma zoom zoom zoom and a boom boom!

memphish said...

Sir Poops-a-lot's fly was open! I score in the Death Pool.

aimee in little rock said...

LOL his pants were down. Big surprise.

aimee in little rock said...

HOLY SHIT, buried alive! NEVER saw that coming. Oh my gosh, that is freaking awesome!!!

memphish said...

Palmer and MB won't be able to wait until next week.

goofball said...

Iconic death

Anonymous said...

that was a good Tales From The Crypt episode, did you guys catch all of the Lost refrences?

ps break out the whipped topping.

andrew.

memphish said...

So Paolo had plenty of room for the rocks in his pants.

Casey D said...

cool episode, but i thought they were going to tell us how they were significant?

the ending was sweet, very hitchcockesque, music was hermannesque for that part too, which makes sense because of bernard hermanns history with hitchcock

listen to me talk about film score! thanks jimmy for helping me enjoy this show that much more!

memphish said...

This was the tribute episode definitely. I can't wait to see how many different things were invoked. My feeble contributions CSI:Lost and a 24 perimeter.

Starline said...

This episode was horrid!!! In a good way.... OMG. Buried alive.... they sucked, but not *that* much.

Colin said...

I feel like a piece of my soul is missing......Paulo's first shit wasn't even real.

PalmerEldritch said...

When he woke up only to find himself buried alive, Paolo must have shit himself!

The Rumble in The Jungle! w00t!

Good episode. Gotta love Billy Dee as HIMSELF. Colt 45 and a Millenium Falcon, bitches.

t-dot kim said...

Very disturbing. I did not enjoy this episode

t-dot kim said...

...but I was laughing through most of it

stephsmith said...

Razzle Dazzle, an iconic death! Very disturbing. After the "I was afraid I'd lose you" line, I can see why he's the Brizilian Tom Cruise. Wow!

Bune said...

I liked the episode, though I knew what was coming due to spoilers. I enjoyed how disturbing the ending was, I'm just wondering if they're going to dig out of their graves.

I like how they explained why Paulo was taking a shit in the Pearl

stephsmith said...

This episode was made even better after all the potty jokes today!
Not enough Billy Dee. This has got to be the first time for a guest star to play himeself, right?

Brennan said...

"Wolfgang Puck of Brazil" I had to laugh at that one.

aimee in little rock said...

Don't forget, he's also the Brazilian Wolfgang Puck...LOL!

Mike Campbell said...

"that's a bunch of horse shit! Lando Calrissian was a black guy. You know, and he got to fly the Millennium Falcon"

Great episode. Think the whole burying alive is where it could be considered "Jumping the shark" cause that was friggen awesome. And it was nice to see Boone and Shannon. Its only when you hate them for so long and hope for them to die that you miss them :)

aimee in little rock said...

hey, Brennan beat me by seconds..

memphish said...

I think they showed us the extra high mound over the grave to indicate they were not getting out. For the most part I enjoyed the episode while watching it. The flashbacks with Nikki and Paolo added in were incredibly lame. Yeah it filled in some holes, but a couple of lines of dialogue in most any episode could have plugged them. I think over all it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I have to say I could have lived with Nikki on the Island. The Brazilian Tom Cruise should go back to Brazil.

Nathalia

aimee in little rock said...

I think I'm going to have nightmares tonight after this episode. I'm already one of the most arachnophobic people on this planet. Add the horrific prospect of being buried alive to it.

I have to go check under my bed now.

PalmerEldritch said...

Funny ass episode. Weird that they'd go through all those episodes of setup just to do that episode. The only plot movement I can see as of yet are A) Sun knows Charlie and Sawyer are jerks but doesn't seem to care, and B) our heroes have a walkie talkie.

Anonymous said...

I have seriously never laughed that hard at a Lost episode. Although completely pointless, one of the most entertaining hours of my life.

-Patrick from Long Island

goofball said...

so the burning cigarette found in the hatch was Paulo's?

Mike Campbell said...

So were the spiders the munster. Because that cash register noise started. So Hurley was right. Viva la Hurley... if it was the munster.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT FRIGGEN MONSTER IS!

stephsmith said...

Now I'm supposed to go to sleep? Not happening any time soon.
I wonder if Sun or Yunjin had the fat sucked out of her cheeks. She's always been thin but in season one she had such pudgy cheeks.

Jonathan said...

I liked it, except for all the little self-references:
"Guest stars always get killed off"
"Wolfgang Puck of Brazil"
"Don't let us ever become like that (referring to Boone and Shannon)"

That got to be just a little too cute, in my opinion.

memphish said...

Palmer, good point about the walkie. That might actually prove useful especially if it can be used to call for Dharma Whipped topping.

PalmerEldritch said...

The cigarette was already there (and not smoking) when Paolo stole the walkie talkie. So... sounds like Damon was full of PaoloDroppings when he implied it was still smoking when Locke and Eko discovered the Pearl.

Colin said...

I have to say, it was priceless to say Sawyer say "Who the hell is Nikki?" right before they cut to the title screen. Aside from that it seems that Sawyer went way out of his way to convey the fact that he didn't know Nikki or Paulo. He reiterated that a couple too many times.

memphish said...

Does anyone know what day Paolo found the waterfall and therefore the gum?

Colin said...

Well, when Kate found the gun case in "Whatever the Case May Be," it was during days 21-22, so I assume Paulo found the diamonds and his gum shortly after that.

I love Lostpedia.

memphish said...

Thanks. So are still in nicotine withdrawls that far out? Don't know. Never been a smoker. Like I need to nitpick this episode.

PalmerEldritch said...

I've known people who've chewed Nicotine gum for YEARS. Which makes for fantastic breath. But no smoking, so that's a bonus.

PalmerEldritch said...

By the way, are those Widmore Industries Nicotine Patches?

RAZZLE DAZZLE!!!

/mmmm... stripper Nikki...

Colin said...

My dad has chewed nicotine gum for 4-5 years. And from what I remember from elementery health class, nicotine withdrawl lasts six weeks or so (someone correct me if I wrong). Paulo had just quit smoking, so it probably was pretty rough.

Atl Max said...

bad ass we needded to get those knots tied, yeah it seemed a little forced at first in the first couple of episodes with them but now looking back im cool with their story arch. i really liked the episode

Anonymous said...

This episode was just okay for me dawg. Kind of pitchy.

I think it would have been better if they would have burned the bodies instead of burying them alive. After all, it's not like they packed that sand that tightly. Remember what Locke said, "Nothing stays buried on this island for long".

When I saw Vincent pull the blankets off of them, I knew they weren't dead.

Looking forward to the Rumble in Jungle next week!

Jason in Mississippi

t-dot kim said...

lol...nice Jason.

I knew they weren't dead. They looked too weird all glazed over. If the spiders were the monster, how does that explain Eko flying in the air in this death scene?

So turns out Boone was bi--not that there's anything wrong with that!! ;)

I didn't like the cut ins of Nikki/Paolo et al. during the season 1 scenes. Like the part with Shannon screaming. Her hair is chin length--then shoulder length. However, I did like seeing Boone & Shannon again.

The burried alive thing really creeped me out, highly disturbing. *shudders*

B. Linus said...

i really enjoyed this episode. i liked the way the flashbacks built up to solving the mystery taking place on the island. very nice. oh, and like patchy, pikki is not dead.

Zachary said...

I thought this episode was a complete waste. Lockes dad is in a box on the other side of the island. Why are we looking at these nobodies?I kept waiting for "iconic" to happen. I appreciate that the directors/writers are paying homage to Hitchcock but couldn't they do that with the original characters?

Zach

Jon said...

i liked the over the top references at the very beginning about nikki being a guest star, and it being impossible for her to come back from the dead.

it's as if they wrote the whole episode for the fans. But i really would have liked it more if it actually told us something in the course of their reveal.

Bune said...

I was looking at the timeline:
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline:November_2004

The flashback with Paulo seeing Ben and Juliet took place when Michael and the tailies got back to the beach, so this says conclusively that the Walt->Michael communications were a fabrication of the Others.

Ralph- said...

JIMMY, tell me that Nikki and Paulo's theme was the instrumental version of "Shake Your Rump".

Seattle Jordan said...

RAZZLE F'N DAZZLE!

Ok, first off. Best opening scene ever.

lol. Ok, maybe not quite ever. But dayum! My girlfriend slapped me when I restarted the show as soon as it ended.

Overall I liked the ep. But it had a strange vibe to it at times.

I agree with Kim that I didn't really like the cut in scenes from the crash. Just seemed a bit hokey. And some of the other random scenes kinda seemed all, "Hey look! Nikki and Paulo talked to people sometimes!" And what was up with them just stumbling upon all the mysterious things in the jungle before everybody else?

I wasn't sure what I thought on the whole up until the whole story came together at the end. Once I thought to myself, "Oh snap! They aren't dead!" then I started liking it as a whole. It was just fun on its own. If you try to piece it in with the grand scheme of Lost, you are most likely going to be disappointed. But hey, this ep had as much to do with the overall scheme as the Bus ep did.

And so I guess Paolo's pooping had a purpose all along. Can't figure out if I'm excited or bummed out. ha.

And Boone hits from both sides of the plate. Wonder if that's the "gay" character we were promised? Not that there's anything wrong with that. But it does explain some of Boone and Shannon's problems, thats for sure.

I liked the "Clue" scenes on the beach between Hurley, Sawyer, and the rest. "I hypothesize that it was Colonel Sayer in the study with the candlestick." lol. Good stuff with everybody getting all suspicious of each other.

More than anything, I think I liked how the mystery to their "deaths" was logical and not all hocus pocus. I always like it when a mystery is solved and proven to make sense. Although, what's up with the butt load of Madusa spiders just happening to bum rush Nikki after she used one of them herself? Hmmmmm.

I'm really glad I didn't read the spoilers. I could somewhat tell that people knew that what was up all week. But I fully enjoyed the ep not knowing what was going on. Good stuff.

RIP Nikki.

Razzle.....Dazzle... :(

Seattle Jordan said...

But now the big question. Was this the plan for them all along? Or was this the result of the fan backlash? Hopefully the former as opposed to the latter.

Oh, and if you didn't read spoilers. Once you heard Nikki say to the producer guy, "We all know what happens to guest stars", you knew what was going down.

And one last question from me. What would your reaction have been had they not been buried alive? If Nikki would've come to just a second earlier? I found myself thinking, "Hurry hurry, before it's too late!" But then quickly caught myself thinking that it would be totally lame and ruin the episode if they were saved. Without them dying the ironic death, the rest of the show would have seemed much more hollow to me.

mb said...

Just finished watching - (I HATE waiting so long)

Fun episode as a stand-alone - a nice reveal in the pearl but most importantly...coming soon....

(stadium echo please)

"ahem......LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...START THE COUNTDOWN IF YOU PLEASE TO THE EVENT YOU HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR -
IT'S THE "RUM-BLE IN THE JUN-GLE ......WITH TWO BAD-ASS BI-ATCHES THROWIN' DOWN THE KIND OF SMACK THAT LEAVES A MARK EVEN THE DOC CAN'T FIX. BE GLAD THERE'S NO SUB - CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO LEAVE THE ISLAND AND MISS THIS ONE PEOPLE! IT'S COMING...."

Jon said...

kate on julie action - smack down, daddio!

Jon said...

This, by the way, was the scene i was really looking forward to seeing more of...

wtf?

Seattle Jordan said...

Woo hoo! CAT FIGHT!

Ok, doesn't look like much of a fight. Moreso just Kate kicking the shit outta Jules. But that's still cool, CUZ IT'S RAINING!

Over-under on how many "THE JUNGLE WILL RUMBLE" jokes between now and next wednesday? Seriously, that was like something outta a Heroes promo.

haveyoutriedenglishchipsandchees said...

So, so excited about lost - watching tonight baby!

T

Mark in Hull said...

Easiest he worst and best episode of Lost at the same time.

Nice to see Billy Dee, although Carl Weathers would have been better!!!

I LOVED the self references at first, but they started to get a bit annoying...

The ending creeped me out.. I'm so glad I get to watch this in the morning, and not at night like most of you guys.

Seattle Jordan said...

Carl Weathers already played himself in Arrested Development (RIP). Billy Dee needs some love too.

Mark in Hull said...

Yeah, I'm a huuuuuuuge AD fan, so would have gone MAD if it was Weathers...

gillian said...

Fine. I will concede that Nikki is hot. I will admit that Hurley watched crap television (though, don't we all?). But for some reason, I can't bring myself to find my natural reaction to being buried alive. Normally, I'd be totally icked out, but for some reason when Sawyer and Hurley kept piling on the sand, I didn't have a single 'noooo!!!' moment.

Well, I did at one point, thinking that if CSI: Island had taken longer, that maybe Nikki and Paolo would have woken up by now.

But no, other than that? Nada. Sadly. I want to like them, but I can't. All I can really say is that they're a hell of a lot faster than the rest of the Losties in terms of finding things on the island.

PalmerEldritch said...

seattle jordan, i had the same question when the ARMY OF SPIDERS attacked Nikki. but my girlfriend quickly pointed out that Dr. Arzt (Arsed?!) had mentioned that the female of the species sent out pheromones that would cause all the males to come running from far and wide.

Rodrigo looked so familiar to me in this episode. Weird voice, dark eyes, large nose, thin jaw, crazy hair, scraggly beard... Then it struck me. Rodrigo Santoro?

P.S. I choose to believe that after Paolo got the diamonds back from the Pearl, he ate them to keep them safe. This would explain the bathroom breaks. He had just re-collected them before the latest episode.

/that's right. one more poop joke for the road.

stephsmith said...

No, this episode didn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. It didn't move the story along. Pikki and the tailsection people seem useless and wasted. But the writers just want us to enjoy the ride. This one was supposed to be campy and not to be taken too heavily. Pikki got exactly what they deserved.
A Smack Down is exactly what I wanted to see with Anna Lucia and Kate in season two.
What's up with the smoke monster noise?

stephsmith said...

You got to love the fact that none of the Losties were upset with the deaths.

PalmerEldritch said...

I wish Expose(accento) was a real show. I'd watch Billy Dee. Although, At least one of those other strippers was goofy as all get out. Didn't have time to check out the other one.

Think that Expose might have the same music as the Questions section of the Official Lost Podcast?

PalmerEldritch said...

yeah, and that was comment 69. the third most coveted post in a thread. First! is THE most coveted, followed by the KABLAMO at 108, and finally post 69. Cuz we're immature and like bedroom and bathroom humor. But at least we're good at something. :)

/poop!

t-dot kim said...

I know it's just a TV show, but the burried alive scene friggin' creeped me out. When Nikki opened her eyes, wouldn't hey have noticed it. It looked like they had a ways to go from when she opened her eyes to when Hurley and Sawyer covered her body. No one noticed?

Are they really dead? Ugh, as much as I didn't really care for the Nikki character, Paolo was a laugh. What a terrible way for to go!

t-dot kim said...

Dang, I was going for the 69!

PalmerEldritch said...

that's what she said!

memphish said...

Aimee, did you catch your new book? It's Evil Under the Sun by Agatha Christie. That shouldn't take long to knock out.

Holli

Mark in Hull said...

You should also read Animal Farm as referenced with the 'The pigs are walking' comment from Dr Artz. Even better if you know a bit about the Russian Revoloution.

Actually, in school, we did both Of Mice And Men and Animal Farm back to back. I wonder if Mr Fawcett is now on the script writing team.

If Billy Liar or A Taste Of Honey come up I'll be VERY freaked out!!!

Seattle Jordan said...

I just thought of something. Cuselhoff are always jokingly talking about a 7th season which they refer to as the zombie season. Um....Nikki and Paulo buried alive = the perfect in road to the zombie season! Hello! lol.

Benjamin said...

Boy, I can't wait for next week's episode. It really looks like Kate is whaling on Juliet. Which is funny, because I know Juliet can handle herself. I have a couple of theories about that, but they'll have to wait for...

WEDNESDAY, WEDNESDAY, WEDNESDAY! See: Gorgeous Island Ladies Of Fisticuffs in an all-out handcuffed brawl for supremacy! Watch: As the rain subtly adds a wet and clingy shirt dimension to their struggle!
Hear: Giacchino's music segue from a standard fight tune to a 70's-influenced porno wah wah rock!

As the dude from Ultraviolet said, "It is on."

PalmerEldritch said...

Let's hope they're influenced by the old Star Trek fight music.

Heck, throw in those Vulcan fighting staffs while we're at it.

/amok time

t-dot kim said...

Oh boys! ;)

Kate will win!

memphish said...

Damn straight Kim. And if she could put and end to the 3rd new cast member next week, I'd be more than happy.

Holli

mb said...

unless Jules sneaks her tazer into the ring - I will be PISSED if that's how it ends

PalmerEldritch said...

After they fight, they should bond and become friends. Maybe have a sleepover. Which would then devolve into a pillow fight... Brilliant!

t-dot kim said...

I don't want to see anymore characters die, however, I'd be quite content to see the shit kicked out of Juliet. She makes me nervous.

Seems like Juliet and Ben may have had a romantic relationship. She gave Ben a bitchy sneer when she commented on Jack's looks. Skank. hahahhaha, I'm so mean to her.

mb said...

I liked Juliet's "cute" comment re: Jack - they're settin' up the showdown

mb said...

oh PALMER - that's f-ing genius - sleepover, or camping trip

t-dot kim said...

*shakes head* I don't get it.

Benjamin said...

Maybe their cable television will go on the fritz during the sleepover, and a repairman will have to be called in?

A score reference to Amok Time will likely cause me to piss myself, so let's all hope it doesn't happen.

The Others apparently go to a lot of trouble to appear as simple islanders (of course we still don't know why) but I think Juliet thought that was all BS. It seems to me that she wasn't really trying to look dirty and disheveled. Heck, her hair was more curled than messy.

Mark in Hull said...

Or Hans, the pizza delivery boy

PalmerEldritch said...

Kim, didn't Aimee once promise a pillow-fight episode of TLI?

If you two don't feel comfortable doing that, then I'm sure Rolph and Boner would be glad to pick up the slack.

/ack!

elias said...

"The Pigs are walking!"

Classic.

mb said...

Yeah - I agree about Juliet. It seems that maybe she never made that "commitment" to the others that Ben talked about in "Tallahassee". I'm interested to see her history with Ben.

stephsmith said...

Did I read somewhere the show Locke was watching was Expose? Maybe not.
Go Sanjaya!

mb said...

yes you did Steph - It was on the last thread or the one before I think. Locke was watching the scene with Billy Dee Williams in Exposé (Nikki's TV show)

Jimmy said...

I told you all about Nikki a long time ago. My hottometer is working fione, it seems.

Liked it a lot. Very cool concept...the whole point seemed to be:

1 To wrap up the Sawyer/Sun kidnapping.

2 To throw a bit of exposition on the Ben/Juliet observation.

Does this mean that Ben deliberately got captured? Therefore almost an admission that Danielle is in on the whole bullshit?

Nikki's dead :( Gorgeous right to the end...

Benjamin said...

But Locke must have been watching an old episode, right? Because damn, that was four years ago.

If Kim and Aimee won't step up to the plate, pillow-wise, I guess it's my duty to go to town on Ralph and Ryan. With a pillow, of course.

stephsmith said...

Yeah, she's ok if you like the whole pettite, thin, cute chin, athletic look. But such a bad actress.

Casey D said...

he was watching expose but it wasnt the same scene, the scene with billy dee was about orphange money, the scene locke was watching was about bolivian gold

elias said...

I think Ben got himself into one of Danielle's net traps on purpose and she's not in on it.

Casey D said...

i dont think shes in on it either, i think she is just that clueless about her surroundings

t-dot kim said...

I agree with Stephanie Smith

Benjamin said...

T-dot Kim is right about Stephanie Smith being right!

PalmerEldritch said...

i agree that ben agrees that kim agrees with steph... about something but damned if i know at this point. someone KABLAMO this son of a bitch at 108.

Jimmy said...

I agree with Kim too...but I still like the whole petite, thin, cute chin, athletic look.

I liked Rodrigo significantly more than I thought I would. He did pretty well, really.

Lots of Hitchcock last night.

memphish said...

I guess Locke was watching the Expose Pilot episode when the Bolivian gold is first stolen. I wonder if Locke has been wondering all these years who the Cobra is.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

I usually prefer my women a tad meatier and brunettier but Stripper Outfit Nikki sure worked for me.

PalmerEldritch said...

Oh, and Kim better hurry her ass over here if she wants to KABLAMO the 108. Hurry, T-Dot Kim, hurry!

stephsmith said...

I agree with Jimmy. Rodrigo did well when given good dialogue.

aimee in little rock said...

Kablamo.

stephsmith said...

KABLAMMOOO!!!

stephsmith said...

Aimee beat me by seconds.

PalmerEldritch said...

Aimee wins with the sneak attack! Holy crap. Nobody expected that!

Welcome back, Aimee. You were missed.

Mark In Hull said...

I like this place... I really should come here more often...

Seattle Jordan said...

Ok, so I watched the "this jungle will rumble" clip about 5 times now. Partly for the girl on girl throw down, but mainly because I can't for the life of me make out what Kate is screaming at the end of it. Was anybody able to understand what she was saying?

mb said...

Hey my wife just had a good point about the purpose of this episode. While the story is largely standalone (so far as it seems right now), but I think one point of this episode may be to illustrate a theme on Lost. I can't remember the exact line but Locke says to Paulo that you can't keep secrets on this island (when he is trying to bury the diamonds in the sand) - things get uncovered. And I'm thinking that is one of the things that is going to continue to bite Ben in the ass going forward. The more he tries to control by hiding what this island is, the more control he will lose. His secrecy (as with Hanso's possibly) may be his undoing.

Benjamin said...

I figured it out last night, but now I forgot. Is it "Paralyzed?"

PalmerEldritch said...

"pillowfight"

mb said...

Jimmy - when you say there was a lot of hitchcock, did you hear some Bernard Herrmann or were you mainly commenting on the visuals/story? Just curious - I have to go back to watch with headphones since I have to keep the volume so damn low on the first watch (sleeping kiddo - thin walls).

Jimmy said...

I was talking both really when I thought Hitchcock. Music, film style, themes.

No doubt I'll mention it on the next segment. I have little to go on at present...we shall see.

Still not totally sure if I believe that this episode was planned all along, or if they just decided to off the characters as the concept wasn't working????

Anonymous said...

more notes on last night:
- i actually think this episode might have worked better if they hadn't pre-introduced Nikki & Paulo. It would have felt more like an episode dedicated to two random people in the losties camp and would have suggested that everyone on the beach has an interesting story to tell, pre- and on-island. Other than laying the groundwork for Paulo using the bathroom in the Pearl station, their prior appearances didn't add much context.

-i'm a little miffed that Sun took the kidnapping revelation so lightly. It would be an interesting character development for her to suddenly become very distrustful of all of the other losties, sort of a reversal with her and jin in the first season.

- i really think the sound was the sound of an approaching army of spiders and not the munster sound. they had foreshadowed it so heavily that i was waiting for it to happen for half the episode.

- Lost has consistently befuddled my prognostication skills, but i'm putting my foot down that Nikki & Paulo are done. (good riddance IMHO)

- You're all 108 in my book

andrew.

Jimmy said...

Good points, Andrew...

Have been listening to other podcasts. What the fuck is it with all these "Nikki and Paulo may not be dead" ideas? It reminds me of the "Shannon isn't Dead" moment.

I even remember there were a ton of people who thought that Shannon was shot, but not by Ana Lucia.

Anyway...I'm getting a cold! I get one every Spring, and here we go :( It's a gorgeous day here.

Seattle Jordan said...

I'm not sure either if I think this was the original intent for Nikki & Paulo. I don't think they were ever intended to be around for too long.

But I have a feeling that the negative fan reaction, along with the writers realizing that they had too much story to tell and too few episodes to do it in, was the early nail in their sand made coffins.

Seattle Jordan said...

Some day here, eh Jimmy? What, for the 2nd day in a row? I can't remember the last time this has happened. This winter has been miserable.

I so have developed that seasonal affective disorder. The weather is all crappy forever and I'm always in a bummer mood. Then the instant the sun peaks it's head, I'm skipping down the street like a little school girl. haha.

And back to Lost. Just when you think that they couldn't outdo themselves when it comes to bad wigs. I present you Boone and Shannon! Seriously, what the hell was that on Shannon's head? This has got to be some sort of inside joke with the producers or something.

PalmerEldritch said...

That was a crazy huge pile of sand on those two last night. That'd take some doing to escape from. Methinks they're kaput. Hope so too. It would cheapen the episode if they were OK.

That said, MORE BILLY DEE WILLIAMS.

"LaShade's not a system, he's a man!"

Jimmy said...

Yes, Seattle Jordan...

I get the SAD. It's been the most brutal winter I have ever experienced here...that rain in November! Then the December storms! It's been terrible...I need to get out of this fucking office, sit on my roof and soak it all up!

Seattle Jordan said...

I am born and raised here, and this winter was the worst I've ever seen. I usually laugh when people rip on our weather cuz It's really not that bad. But this winter almost made me understand what Kurt Cobain was thinking. I'm gonna take your advice and get outta the office myself. Better take advantage of the sun before it's gone again.

sorry boys, the jungle will not rumble said...

do you guys realy think that their is gunna be a fight between kate and julie? i bet its all nuthin and the clip showed it all.

lost is tryin to get little boys all excited. if there were a fight, kate would kill julie. shes like a she-rambo and is in crazy shape while julie does bookclubs and makes sandwhiches. kate would make julie her biatch if they really rumbled. thats why nothing will happen.

memphish said...

It looks like from the preview Kate and Juliet are handcuffed together. Reminds me of the "Angels in Chains" episode of Charlie's Angels way back when Farrah was still on the show.

Holli

MB said...

I share this Carpé Diem kind of day with you Seattle folk - Portland is gorgeous today.

RE: the intent for Pikki - there is a SMALL part of me that wants to believe that a larger purpose will be revealed for telling this story - since it does seem like a LOT to devote an most of an episode to a dead-end story. But several things happened which have potential for character and overall plot development - including the fact that the they now have an Others walkie-talkie - gotta think that's going to come into play.

mb said...

RE: the impending K&J wet t-shirt match - if we're talking seriously, yes, I ABSOLUTELY think Kate would kick all ass. But boys gotta have dreams - it's more fun to imagine the possibilities.

elias said...

the weather is rather pleasant in Blighty at the moment - I've only heard bad things about the weather in Seattle.

Anonymous said...

Elias, are you mental? It's fucking freezing where i am! And it's starting to rain!
Teej

Anonymous said...

you guys should do one of those map thingys where people can mark where they live.

elias said...

just a bit of chubby rain earlier today, but no complaints otherwise.

elias said...

Paolocrantz and Nikkistern are Dead! Just saw on the tailsection a nice little reference to Tom Stoppard's classic and it fits quite nicely with this episode.

Guildenstern: We are now held within un-, sub-, or supernatural forces.

stephsmith said...

I happen to be of the belief that this was the plan all along- 1.)hire two hot actors as guest stars, one that's waiting for her "big break" and the other trying to make his mark with American viewers. 2.)introduce them in a grate-on-your-nerves kinda way. 3.)make their deaths more shocking than any other before therefore launching their deaths to the status of ICONIC.
Lindeluce may be two big dorks but they have got to be the most creative dorks I've ever seen. All I think of watching it is CAMP.

stephsmith said...

It's beautiful here in Bama. Eighty-five fun-loving degrees and everything with a thick coat of pollen. Yeah!

PalmerEldritch said...

Damn it, Steph. I read "CAMP" and immediately started hearing the theme song to "Salute Your Shorts" in my head. Someone make it stop...

/early 90s nickelodeon show

elias said...

If you haven't read or seen any of Agatha Christie's Poirot series, they're pretty standard murder mystery plots. No overarching themes or anything.

From Lostpedia: The plot of the book [Evil Under the Sun] is a murder on an isolated island, and the key is that the time of death is not what it seemed to be.

Jimmy said...

If they ever are used again (Pikki), I think that the Islanders will suddenly need to trade something. Sawyer says, "Well hell, we've got a load of diamonds buried with whatevertheirnamesare". They dig them up (Sayid volunteers) and find them wide eyed in death gapes with muddy clawed hands. Hurley says "Dude!"...

Casey D said...

jimmy that idea is awesome

MB said...

SWEET idea Jimmy!

B. Linus said...

Wow Jimmy, that idea is as shocking as the whole buried alive thing was in the first place. (if you're spoiler free)

PalmerEldritch said...

yeah. they could play up the creepy angle with the crazy pre-flailed digging their way out arms... or they could find the two with skinned fingers and other evidence that they tried to dig their way out and, when they realized that they were going to die no matter what, found each other in the sand and died in an embrace or holding hands or something sappy like that.

personally, i think vincent should pay tribute to poor paolo with a lone, solitary dump on their grave site.

DenAss said...

Or they could steal a page from S.King's Creepshow "Something to Tide You Over" story, and have the two of them re-animated after the tide comes in and drowns their already suffocated bodies, while subsequently uncovering their watery, sandy grave.

I'm just not sure who would be the Leslie Nielson character on the island. Maybe Bernard. Maybe Locke. Maybe ... oh this is perfect ... Anthony Cooper. How cool would that be for two zombified Nikki and Paolo characters to come after Locke's dad, bury him in the sand up to his head, and then just let the tide finish him off. A fitting end to that bastard.

D.Ass

Casey D said...

wow i havent seen creepshow since i was...9? that was a looooong time ago

memphish said...

Here is what they'll look like when they dig up the diamonds.

Holli

aimee in little rock said...

If Vincent pulled the blanket off of their bodies (because presumably the dog could sense they weren't dead)..

Couldn't Vincent dig them out for the same reason?

PalmerEldritch said...

Nikki and Paolo had better hope that Vincent is one fast digger. 8 minutes or more and they're pretty much gone, eh?

/misses stripper nikki :(

B. Linus said...

Its lost guys. Anything can happen.

stephsmith said...

I'm in the Pikki won't be back camp but I can't decide what Locke is refering to with the lines about nothing staying buried.

aimee in little rock said...

I'm not suggesting by any means that they would survive, since we already know neither of them are coming back next season. It would be plain silly to kill them, resurrect them, and kill them again. But very cool too.

I'm just suggesting that Vincent should've been hanging around while they were burying them, digging at the dirt while they kept throwing it on them so they would've been like "Vincent, you crazy dog, what're you doing?"

Or, Vincent will dig them up post-mortem to reveal the thing Jimmy suggested - the horrified expressions, clawing arms, or lover's embrace.

PalmerEldritch said...

Vincent should use Paolo's arm as a chew toy.

PalmerEldritch said...

Do we think we'll get more goofy temporary cast members next year too?

memphish said...

Are we sticking with this thread just because of the picture? I'd bet the guys wouldn't object to having that picture twice on the front page. They could pretend one of them was the Bad Twin Nikki.

Steph, there's a new Official podcast up. When Damon's not there, they are speedy. There's a funny discussion of Santa Claus landing on the island.

Holli

PalmerEldritch said...

isn't Nikki's "Bad Twin" named Jessica?

/heroes nerd

Seattle Jordan said...

I think the whole purpose for the giant sand mound on top of their graves was to leave as little doubt possible as to them being dead. Because every time somebody dies, there's a bunch of people who theorize about them not really being dead. The overabundance of sand was the producers saying, "Dudes, they are so dead."

PalmerEldritch said...

well, there SHOULD be at least one Paolo and one Nikki's worth of extra sand on top of the grave. that said, you're totally correct. bitches are dead.

stephsmith said...

Thanks Holli. So a podcast with no no pants joke? Alright!
I'm trying to get up the nerve to call TLI.

PalmerEldritch said...

Do it, Steph! I like listening to calls from the Blogspotters.

aimee in little rock said...

There's a new thread posted now. Race to be the first poster...now!