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191 comments:
uh... huh.
who are these people?
OK, maybe I'll really show my age here ... I know what the t bag part means, but 'Old' t bag ... what the hell does that mean? If you like t-bagging, that's great, more power to you -- but who likes old t-bagging?
yeah, t bagging is bad enough but an old t bag?
an old lady? someone with an old dude fetish?
"You'll be missing me when you have that big white wrinkly body on top of you with his loose skin and old balls... gross!"
I think it's an achronym....
Old Tucson Book Arts Guild
that MUST be it , right????
Anyone??
- maybe OLDTBAG is a reference to 'long balls Larry' (i just made myself shudder)
- Darjeeling was excellent. The only time i laughed out loud was at the very inappropriate time, (that line was just funny), but i had a smile on my face the whole time. Wes Anderson rocks.
- Now it's time to obsess until the new Coen Brothers & Paul Thomas Anderson movies get released.
- i heard a very vicious rumor that the Lost season was going to get cut in half because of the writers' strike, that we'd only get 8 episodes this year. Now just imagine one of those 8 episodes dedicated to Jack's tattoo again. Bring on the $100 pricing for season DVD sets and let's get those writers typing!
Perhaps it's an expat Brit who fondly remembers their favourite childhood show?
T-Bag
T-Bag (the British show) sounds awesome! Why is it listed as a drama? And why would T-Shirt help T-Bag if he was kidnapped? I guess I'll never understand.
I think I'll have to convince Ben to stick this in his queue.
If those DVDs are available region 1 I'll be surprised.
If you think that's mental - look up Wizbit.
S3 LOST Blu-Ray's price has been cut to $66 pre-order on Amazon. So while 8 episodes of LOST will cost >$100 in the UK, just for GW, I'm sure it would be a lot less here. And if you take the producers at their word, it should be free on-line.
Andrew, stuff I've seen says LOST already has 7-8 episodes in the can. Kristin from E who was sitting with Damon at dinner Thursday night says 14 scripts are finished. Supposedly during a writers' strike they can shoot finished scripts, but they can't change anything about them.
Of course they can still edit. I'm not sure how Damon and Carlton as writers are supposed to balance their duties as producers in that sort of situation. And I'm not sure how the Teamsters claim that they will honor the picket line plays out either. Are there Teamsters manning the crew in Hawaii? Beats me.
Hopefully it will all settle between now and the time they absolutely need to be at work on Episode 8 or 9. I'd prefer them not to shoot if they can't edit scripts as they go, but then I have nothing but an "artistic" and fan perspective to bring to the table.
Holli
How does Lindeluse strike as writers but work as producers at the same time? I've missed typing that name.
Why can't I get some consistancy with this?
say what, steph?! crazy stuff. how do i subscribe? :D
I hope this doesn't ruin J&J like it did the Tailsection and Doc Arzt.
Holli
I searched buddytv on iTunes. No space between buddy and tv. Awesome news for our guys. And here I was expecting the new podcast to be about sports. I was relieved, big time.
Holli, know anything about Webkinz?
How did it ruin Doc Arzt?
So while 8 episodes of LOST will cost >$100 in the UK, just for GW, I'm sure it would be a lot less here.
Thanks, Holli.
Just piling on GW.
I'm interested to see what happens with this podcast. It was recorded almost 4 weeks ago it sounds like. Also "The Scoop with Jon" guy is Doc Arzt who just announced this week that he's not going to do The Tailsection or Buddy TV anymore.
The Jay and Jack parts were fun, if not terribly informative if you listen to other B+H Productions. The part with Jon was awkward, but okay. I wonder who, if anyone, will replace him.
As for the "ruining" I just felt that once Doc Arzt started being compensated (at least I think he was compensated) by Buddy TV that he 1) paid less attention to the Tailsection and only tended to post things he could post in both places and 2) really commercialized up the Tailsection even to the point of literal reader solicitation to fund his personal trip to Hawaii. It started to get the feel of, dare I say it, the podcasters who shall not be named on the Scott and Steve blog.
Also just as an esthetic matter I didn't like how clutterd the Tailsection look became.
So in conclusion (I can hear the sighs of relief) I hope Buddy TV doesn't pressure J&J to put them first at the expense of all the other things they do and I hope that a taste of compensation (if they are compensated) doesn't lead to gross commercialization of the B+H Empire.
Holli
This is an interesting choice for CBS.
Imagine Danny Bonaduce giving advice to today's celebrities. CBS Mobile has. Sort of. The Partridge Family star, who more recently had his own VH1 reality show, has faced his share of personal and legal troubles. He will provide his voice to Danny Bonaduce: Life Coach, a series of animated vignettes on most wireless carriers and streaming on cbs.com. The series of eight three- to five-minute installments will premiere Nov. 12 with additional episodes released every two weeks.
Holli
I was hoping for the sports podcast.
I'm impressed that Jay has the time to do all these podcasts, go to school, and maintain his long-distance relationship. I've been in one of those, and it really sucks up a lot of time.
trevor, it sounds like he comes home on weekends and does three or four podcasts in a row. marathon sessions.
I see what you're saying, Holli. I think the problem with Jon's segment is an editing issue. Not that Jay didn't do a good job. When you record separate and edit together, you end up out of sync if not recorded at the same speed. The 3 Heroes had problems with this.
Steph, I was discounting the editing problems. To me it was more of the case of them being new to each other and kind of stepping on and avoiding stepping on each others' toes. If it continues, I'm sure it will get smoother.
Yeah. I get to drive to the airport now to pick up the brave hunters returning from shooting defenseless birds.
Holli
"I know of no reason
Why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot"
'Tis a night to enjoy some Groaty Dick
Wierd. I am having beef and leeks tonight. Close enough to Grotty Dick for me and mine.
Holli
Oops! Grotty=Groaty
Holli
- grody dick! gag me with a spoon!
- Steelers on Monday Night Football. take that writers' strike!
- been trying to get the "Chins" book to T-Dot Kim but she's missing in action. anybody know how to get word to her? or know who's next on the list?
Frodo: Dance Machine
Elias - bollocks, I forgot it was Guy Fawkes night. Perhaps I should have rented V for Vendetta to watch this evening, possibly while necking a yard of ale.
Actually, guys, the reason I'm on is to let you know I'm genuinely happy with the transatlantic price comparison of a DVD set I've just preordered which is the complete The X Files* (including the movie).
We get it about two weeks after you guys, but the Amazon.co.uk price for the PAL region 2 set is the equivalent of $145 (down from $416) whereas Amazon.com NTSC region 1 version of the same thing is $230 (down from $329).
So, bugger me sideways - I'm off to do something remarkable British, like enlarging the gaps in my teeth with a chisel while drinking some incredibly strong tea.
* There has been a complete X Files set before, but this one looks better.
I've had nothing to contribute today, so I've just been lurking.
I'll be missing Heroes tonight, I bet tonight will be that awesome episode we've all been waiting for, just because I'm not gonna see it.
Tim Kring says the next run of episodes (7-11) are the best episodes of Heroes ever. Of course the man also can't admit that this season has sucked so far, so take it for what it's worth. I'll be watching so I can praise or gripe on the boards. Be sure and note the optimism of that last sentence.
Holli
a dude i work with is getting his gall bladder removed so he'll stop puking bile.
anyone know anything about this kind of surgery? think he'll be back into work in a couple of days? a couple of weeks? and will he have digestive issues for a while or can we welcome him back with pizza?
http://www.bostonnow.com/
entertainment/television/2007/10/22/
what-could-happen-if-the-writers-strike
Palmer, that surgery is my hubby's bread and butter. I myself have also had the surgery and highly recommend it over the doubled over on the floor in pain a bad gall bladder causes. In my case I had the surgery on a Thursday and was in and out in less than 4 hours. I was out and about in 2 days and kickboxing in 2 weeks. Assuming they can do it lapriscopically and don't have to open him up, every thing should be peachy keen pretty fast. And pizza--no problem.
Holli
Hey Ben. For the last 2 weeks I've had Firefly in my queue and I liked it so much I had to go to Blockbuster Saturday night to get Serenity. Good stuff; entertaining without having to pay too much attention to it. The characters were all great and I was sad when I finished watching everything.
Holli
anonymous' article link
holli, thanks for having your gall bladder blow up. your horrible gut-wrenching pain paid off in spades in the form of useful information for me to read on the internet!
glad you're feeling better. also glad to know that my co-worker will probably be back at work pretty quickly so we'll only have to pick up the slack for a few days or so.
and, anonymous, that article's predictions would be awesome. would LOVE to have my fav USA shows take over network tv. w00t!
That's kind of a strange idea that the broadcast networks would air cable re-runs. Since most of those shows air in the summer I've already watched them if I was interested. Of course I don't really object too strenuously to watching Michael Weston from Burn Notice again even if I know what's going to happen. But I'm much more likely to do my own counter-programming courtesy of Netflix rather than rely on the networks to meet my needs.
Holli
Strike shuts down "The Office"
story
also Tina Fey walked out on 30 Rock.
Looks like there's a lot of writer/actor solidarity (which makes sense considering the looming Actors Guild strike over a lot of the same issues).
Palmer, I'll add my 2 cents about the gall bladder. He should be better than new within a couple of days (also assuming that it's all done laparoscopically ... if he's opened up all bets are off). I'd say maybe hold off on the pizza, at least right away. Sometimes patients need to readjust to eating greasy foods again once it comes out. But apparently ... not everyone has that problem!
Nope. Once that baby is out of there, bring on the grease! Well, except for the duck gumbo which caused me to spend kiddo's first Christmas wacked out on morphine pre-gall bladder removal. Actually the morphine might be a good way to handle this Thanksgiving with the 20 relatives in my house as well.
Holli
It's 3:46 am.
I can't sleep.
Was Heroes any good?
Probably not.
Heroes was freakin awesome except for all the green. Elijah Wood is the cutest little hobbit. Good things might come out of this strike. The mainstream public might get the chance to see how great BSG actually is. Holli, that's the next to put in your queue. I got out Out of Gas the other day. It and War Stories is my favorite. I love Zoe's dual personality: soldier/wife. I stuck Veronica Mars in my "queue". I know nothing about gall bladder surgery thank goodness.
heroes was fun but the writing was derivative crap and West is the most annoying character ever. and claire is a moron. and hiro sucked.
but it had some plot development and some very cool set up for next time.
I'm glad that the plot threads are finally coming together. And thank god, Hiro is no longer in the past (funny that he jumped back to now rather than back to when he left from). But all of a sudden, all of the stories are coming together (except for Sylar and the Dunder Twins, and Monica) ... it's just too bad that they've wasted so much time getting here. And whether it gets back to being good or back to being crap, there's still no excuse for the Chunky Soup they came out with in September & October.
There's a LOST mobisode out! I watched it on hubby's Verizon phone. It's a "missing moment" from an episode that aired in earlier seasons. Sort of a deleted scene that wasn't filmed and deleted until now. It's not on the web yet that I know of, but DarkUFO is working on it.
Holli
I liked the episode. I agree Steph, the "green" crap is real annoying. I am so sick of big corporations using and capitalizing on the term and trend to sell their crap. Wait, nevermind. It's all because they care so much about the environment. lol.
As for the show. I'm thinking that Sylar & Maya (Alejandro is already dead in my mind) might be held off for after this current virus storyline. The potential of a possible Sylar/Maya duo seems a bit larger than only lasting to the end of this current mini-arch.
dont forget that Sylar needs to go be Spock for awhile.
big heroes thread at the BBS.
jordan, thinking about LOST season 3 on blu-ray?
Steph, The Aliens in America writers were on Fresh Air yesterday. You can stream off their site at NPR.org.
Holli
Create your own Lost
Holli, I may as well subscribe.
Done.
Some not so great news about Lost and the Writers' strike.
so, can we assume that this'll mean a longer season 5? or a season 7 of the last eight episodes?
wtf?!
worst.name.evar!
Who wouldn't want a TWA/T?
I guess it depends on how long the strike goes on for. I've read that it might stretch into next spring, which is hard to imagine. That would mean that it could start to affect next year's shows too.
- oh how we'll fondly remember last year's hiatus. "We got 6 whole episodes back to back and then only had to wait 4 months for the thrilling conclusion"
- are all of the Lost podcasts going to die on the vine?
- Anyone watch Weeds? Pittsburgh getting its props! Between that and the Monday Night Football bloodbath, last night was a good night of TV.
- The indian summer is over. We got snow today.
My biggest problem with Heroes at present is that anything I get into (Matt and Nathan playing detective battling Matts Dad) is counter acted by that bullshit banality of Claire and West (the most irratating dude I have ever seen).
I'd like to add that turning up at someones house as a teen unannounced to cook breakfast is called "Stalking" in my book...and for the Mum to support it is equally incredulous.
I also cannot stand Caitlin.
If anyone here wants to watch a quality film get your asses out and see "Michael Clayton".
Superb!
Andrew, is the relationship with Conrad supposed to replace the small,ridiculous thinkgs going on each episode? I'm asking because the relationship seems like it's supposed to be more shocking than it comes across. Do you know what I mean? It seems to be replacing the taking a picture of setting a fart on fire, dog peeing on motorcycle accident victim, porn actor losing control of bowels onset- things that bothered me this season. And also, is it pissing you off that the ex-wife thinks she has a right to the pension? Shane was freaking me out.
jimmy, check out the BBS for plenty of West bashing.
but just in case you don't get a chance, WEST IS THE CREEPIEST SHIT ON THE PLANET. the other week, he just happened to have a FaceConcealingWinterHat in the middle of Sunny California in the summer? at school?!
"you never know when you'll need to assault someone. always be prepared!"
not to mention him watching claire a couple of times through her window without her knowing. once while she was laying in bed.
they've really written a creepy ass character who's repugnant as all get out.
This might make me run.
Holli
DarkUFO has the mobisode on his site now.
Holli
Stephanie - yeah, i've got a lot of problems with this season's lack of direction and drama. It might be unfair because i watched the 1st 2 seasons in a week just before this season started but after U-Turn left the picture things got really lax really quickly.
The Ex-Wife character sucked and i'm glad she's gone. i could understand her feeling jilted and deserving of the money, but not the way they portrayed it with her passive aggresively blackmailing Nancy.
Shane totally freaked me out, even while shouting out my neighborhood. The preview makes it look like they're going to go with a cutesy imaginary-daddy angle instead of the severe psychotic break that he seemed to experience.
i don't know if the relationship with Conrad was supposed to be shocking. Considering that they were toying with it since season 1, it certainly didn't shock me. It also doesn't feel particularly dangerous like most of her past relationships.
i'm not entirely sure why i'm still watching the show to be honest.
Hollywood Strike Turns Ugly: Writer Hurt on Picket Line
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/
story?section=entertainment&id=5739193
couldn't view that link, mayb this will work: link
- thought of a slight upshot from the strike (other than writers getting a fair wage of course), maybe now Lindelof will get around to finishing the "Ultimate Hulk Vs Wolverine" 6-issue comic miniseries that he unceremoniously dropped after just 2 issues. The 1st issue came out in December 2005. Issue no.3 still isn't on any radars.
try try again:
link
don't know how you peoples do the fancy clicky links.
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/
index.jsp?uuid=78b76388-1878-4e82-a5ac-bac848f8f727
anonymous missed a kablamo.
Anonymous' TV Guide link in link form
eh, make that E Online.
interesting to hear that lost producers were approached about a spinoff. glad they said no. hope the office people are as smart. stupid greedy networks.
So does anyone have any ideas for a LOST spinoff? Other than a series about the LOST Zombies of course.
Holli
uh...Expose'
D.H.A.R.M.A. Bums - A young Ben Linus and a ragtag group of his oddball friends show that growing up and learning the facts of life is never easy, even in Paradise. A fun filled romp through the daily machinations of a hippy commune where going on your 1st date sometimes has to take a back seat to saving the world.
WGA strike threatens Scrubs' final six episodes
This strike nonsense is really beginning to annoy me. >:(
WGA being unreasonable?
If this doesn't work I'm never attempting a clickable link ever again.
Worked ok for me Steph!
Great clip Steph.
So apparently ABC updated its website for LOST and said it was returning Thurs. Feb. 14th (yes Valentine's Day) at 6/7C which is not a time that exists anywhere except maybe on the Island. Then they removed the date and time and it says "returning on February 2008" which is grammatically painful.
The website also might indicate that they'll post mobisodes on their site on Mondays about a week after Verizon gets them as it says they launch 11/12--next Monday.
Holli
aaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!
(the LOST article)
So the producers want to kill TV entirely, huh? Is there anyway we fans could start pooling our money and have Darlton Cuseloff and the crew just release the episodes directly to us? Skip that pesky ABC middleman.
It's funny though I've seen that Cuse quote for the last 3 days and Ausiello's spin that they may delay because of it is the only person I've seen spin it that way so far.
Holli
This post coming at you live from a Nintendo DS.
Not exactly an iPhone but much less irritating than typing with a Wii remote.
steph, that video was pretty darn amusing. thanks for the link!
i REALLY hope this writer's strike just goes away. pay them their extra 4 cents so i can watch tv. heck, i'd gladly pay four cents more for my DVDs rather than get no new tv for nine months.
Here's something really cool our local radio station is doing. I'm curious to see how much some of these babies will go for.
Drumsticks for Drumsticks
wacky animals
heroes article that i havent read yet
Good Heroes this week - Mohinder's Chinatown gag was a highlight.
"I goddamn near lost my nose. And I like it. I like breathing through it"
That Heroes article is great and just what I wanted to hear from Tim Kring. He's finally admitting that all the things we've been ragging did indeed suck. And hopefully someone/s will be buried alive very, very soon. It's just too bad he didn't bother watching his own stuff (in editing) until it was too late to prevent boring and annoying the stew out of the audience. Of course, now the stakes for Vol. 3 are really high. If he says all this and then makes the same mistakes, he's history.
Holli
Even the biggest Heroes detractor has to give Kring credit for owning up to the shows miscues this season. Hopefully listening to the fans' criticism will help get the show on the right track.
And for the current status of the death of your all your favorite tv shows, click here.
Ausiello reminds me of my cousin. After I talk to her, I feel depressed. You have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. Sometimes it's hard to separate his editorializing from the facts.
Ok Kring, you know what you did wrong. Fix it.
Sarkozy Drunk
I could watch this clip of Sarko l'American forever.
Writers' strike? No Problem.
Holli
heheheh.
good stuff, holli.
According to the list posted earlier by Jordan, it looks like no matter what, we'll at least have reality TV to watch, God save us all! lol.
Reality TV is scripted too.
I don't think reality shows are required to hire WGA members though. And you'd think by now Jeff Probst would know what to say.
Holli
They're "closet" scripted. Therefore they wouldn't have to strike, cause it's probably scripted by some college kid.
I just read that CBS might throw out an early season of Big Brother in Jan or Feb if the strike is goes long. So I guess the reality shows are safe.
And Fox just announced that the Jan season premiere of 24 has been postoned indefinitely. Is Lost far behind?
Honestly, what would you rather have? Just an 8 episode run in Feb/March? Or wait an extra long time for the actual season 4 the way it was meant to be?
I want 8 right now! The idea of waiting even longer than Feb. '08 is so disheartening that I'm afraid I'll give up (and others with me.) Now you know I won't actually give up, but others probably will.
Holli
See I dunno Holli. Remembering how lackluster the first 6 eps were as a stand alone piece, I fear that people would react adversely to a clifhanger that was originally meant to last one week lasting months on end. I also fear that if they just do the 8 now, whenever the finally pick back up, they might have to change up what they were planning to do. I don't want to see an 8 episode "season 4" and then go on as planned for the final 2 seasons.
I know Hollywood executives aren't exactly the brightest people in the world, but why are they doing this? Give the writers some itty bitty percentage of new media income. Be prepared to give similar itty bits to the actors and the directors whose contracts expire in 2008 and then have the accountants work until there are no profits like they do now. Do they really think the writers and actors and directors are going to give on this issue? Instead they are pissing off their audiences and the results are going to be no profits because we're going to be watching nothing but BBC programs when this ends. GRRRRRR.
Holli
I agree with that last part Jordan. I don't want 8 less episodes than the 48 we're looking at now. And I agree there would be frustration with just 8, but I think there's going to be even more if we have to wait almost 2 full years to see new LOST.
As a person who has been rewatching what we have and finding that it's getting old and I want answers, having to wait even longer sucks the life out of me.
On an unrelated matter, how many days does a college annual fund phone-a-thon last? I'm avoiding giving money to my college and they've called 3 nights in a row now.
Holli
Ok, need a little help here. If the strikes goes long, I'm going to pick out some shows that I never got into to start from the beginning. My ideas so far are Prison Break, The Wire, Firefly, and the beloved Battlestar Gallactica. Any agruments for one over the others?
I just watched Firefly and enjoyed it. Lighthearted amusement. I have a friend who says The Wire is the best thing ever, but I've never seen it. Steph will definitely push BSG.
Holli
i think that the 6 episode pod wouldn't have been so bad had it not been so "jungle love cage" centric and had had more with all of our beloved castaways.
new bionica jones tonight. with Beau Bridges Jr by the looks of it.
the writer's strike really sucks. just give the writers more money. though, if it has to happen, i wouldn't mind seeing the USA Network and SciFi shows take over the network airwaves for a while.
Hey Palmer, Does the writers strike effect Bionica Jones in any way? lol.
testing this on my iPod touch. This is a great product. Amiee I know why you like the iPhone now.
I don't think I've commented on here about it. But I went and saw American Gangster last weekend. Eh. It was just ok. Entertaining enough with great performances from Denzel and Crowe. But the story was lacking and a bit all over the place. In the end it just felt like it came up a bit short. A movie where I liked it alright, but it felt like it could've been a lot better. Unless you are really up for it, I'd wait to rent it.
jordan, i'm pretty sure that they use episodes of the A-Team and MacGyver as episode templates.
i keed, i keed.
yeah, the writers strike will affect it but i think that they're OK with that since they're playing musical chairs with the showrunners.
PrisonBreak is pretty good. gets a little out there at times but its a heck of a lot of fun. and the tattoo is crazy.
BSG on DVD would be pretty sweet to watch. not sure when the heck season three is coming out though. of course, a magic box could help you out.
seasons one through four of 24 are pretty good.
what kind of stuff are you looking for? serious tv or popcorn tv?
p.s. KABLA-
* this post stopped short by the WGA strike *
I've already seen all seasons of 24. Not sure what I'm really looking for. Other than nearly everybody I know who has watched BSG or The Wire raves til no end. I'm not a huge sci-fi guy, but I like a good story. Is BSG compelling on that end? Here's the question that will probably help me the most. Is it more Star Wars or Star Trek? As in, is it more of an adventure type show or whatever the hell Star Trek is. Just kidding Trekies. How many episodes into BSG are they?
4 hour mini-series, 13 episode first season, 20(ish) episode second season, and 20(ish) third season...
BSG is closest to... uh...
neither Star Trek, Star Wars, or Stargate for that matter.
it's closest to... uh... LOST? just about every episode is part of a larger arc and almost always part of the overall arc. things are pretty freakin' depressing. stick with it PAST the mini-series (which i didn't like).
Prison Break - dunno. i saw parts of episodes when i was watching 24's 5th season. it seemed pretty ridiculous.
The Wire - Seriously the best TV show ever. Brilliantly scripted seasons that juggle 100 different characters and subplots but also pay them off believably and satifyingly. Episode to episode it plays like a good gritty cop procedural but sneaks in some serious emotional punches. The last season is in the can and is scheduled to air in January regardless of the strike situation.
Firefly - good sci-fi fun. It kind of reminded me of Star Trek The Next Generation with Han Solo as captain. The good and bad news is that the show got bagged after just 1 season which kind of fucked up the bigger story, but everything is on DVD and ready to watch without crossing picket lines.
Battlestar Gallactica - awesome grim sci-fi with some serious stakes. The 1st 2 1/2 seasons will knock you on your ass. The bad news is that the last 1/2 of season 3 seriously sucked and season 4 is probably not going to come out until well after LOST starts back up.
other shows worth catching up on:
Sopranos
Deadwood
Carnivale
Six Feet Under
Dead Like Me
The Prisoner
Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Angel
The Office (US)
The Office (UK)
Arrested Development
Spaced
The Young Ones
Black Books (Season 1)
Simpsons (Seasons 1-9)
Homicide: Life On The Streets
The Shield
Venture Bros.
...
If the strike has got you down and you need a laugh, watch this.
And then this.
i hear Deadwood and Rome are worth checking out but i've never seen an episode.
a bunch of us have been watching The 4400. it's kind of like heroes with a little less super-hero and a little more science fiction. check out the mini-series (1st season) and see if you like that.
Thanks for those clips Jordan.
We've been watching/reading "Letters from Iwo Jima" tonight in an effort to make progress on the "movies I know I should watch but don't really want to" front. With an hour to go we're taking a break for at least 2 days.
Holli
Man, I miss BSG. I think I'll put the DVDs on my Christmas list. Hey, speaking of that great show, my favorite Cylon was on Bionica Jones tonight. I was finding Tom quite charming until Palmer mentioned the Beau Bridges likeness.
Jordan, BSG contains 95% less cornball than Star Trek.
I second these of Andrew's list.
Sopranos
Deadwood
Carnivale
Homicide: Life On The Streets
The Shield
I have stuck Veronica Mars in my "queue" who goes by the name of Jason. I think he's like Elias' Chinese guy. After VM, I think I'll go with Six Feet Under.
My fat fingers don't fit the iPhone that belongs to the guy at work who lives with his mom.
Holli, I own that one but can't bring myself to watch. Others on my list are Hotel Rwanda, Black Hawk Down, United 98. All important events I can't emotionally deal with.
New Battlestar Galactica is like old Battlestar Galactica twinned with Space: Above and Beyond but with the depression ramped up.
The last time there was a writer's strike like this, we got Star Trek: The Next Generation season 2, so thanks for that (Borg notwithstanding).
See, over here we had an incredibly popular sitcom called Only Fools and Horses. It had a disappointing audience for its first series but the BBC gave it another chance. Second series was also a failure. Before they canned it completely they gave it a repeat run in a different timeslot. Huge success.
So, would it make sense to re-run shows killed in their prime but have had a popular showing on DVD? Fills the space and gives the shows another chance to find an audience.
You said "it would make sense", Chris. TV exectutives here don't seem to use their common sense when making decisions like over there.
steph, television producers dont make sense over there either. that country gave the world the Teletubbies. ack.
We've fallen a bit more heavily into line with US television procedure, killing a show if it's not performing (though usually it's thoroughly deserved).
Another well loved show that was nearly cancelled after a poor early showing was beloved children's favourite Rainbow, but it lived to fight another day and then ran for twenty years.
Sometimes we do stick it to 'em - Hardwicke House was snuffed after just two episodes when there was a tirade of complaint. As the credits rolled on the second episode, the continuity announcer said that the series would return "later in the year" - that was 1987, it's never been on since.
Finally - could you really not handle Teletubbies?
They are as nothing to the twin assault of creepy children's insanity, Boohbah (from the creator of Teletubbies) and In the Night Garden (from, er, the creator of Teletubbies).
In Britain,we like to think we stand alone, but over here, we still have a bit of a European sensibility about what stories children should see, that's why some (the best ones if you ask me) tend to be weird or slightly disturbing.
And on that subject, let me round it off with an ancient commercial for a chocolate snack that's actually illegal to sell in the US.
CHOCADOOOBIE!!!!!
Illegal because some neglectful parent let their child choke, maybe? I think we have Boobah here now. They look familiar. I don't watch much children's tv lately. I got my fill with the Teleltubbies. Want to know Morgan's first word? La La Po.
THOSE KOOKY JAPANESE ARE AT IT AGAIN.
The 1938 Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, prohibits embedding "non-nutritive items" in confections, so the Kinder egg with its crappy free toy is a total no-no.
You're not missing much, as my previous forum sig (courtesy of Bill Bailey) said:
"I'm English, and as such I crave disappointment. That's why I buy Kinder Surprise. Horrible chocolate; nasty little toy: a double-whammy of disillusionment!"
Classic South Park last night. That was just awesome. I always thought Guitar Hero was pretty stupid. lol.
Palmer, I watched the Bionica Jones episode the other day where they have her go under cover as a British school girl, hence allowing her to use her actual English accent. How convenient. lol. I think they should just leave her with that accent. She does a pretty convincing American accent. I wouldn't have known she was British if I wasn't told. But now that I've heard her speak her in normal voice, I can't help but think that she's putting on her "real" voice in the show.
And to keep it on ghoastwatch's favorite topic. What is it with Brits doing American accents anyway? Why is it that British actors can pull it off quite effortlessly, yet every Brit I've known or see try sounds like they're doing a horrible John Wayne impression? There must be a specific something about doing an American accent that they teach actors.
And back to the tv on dvd recommendations. Series that I highly suggest you check out if you have not:
Arrested Development
The Sopranos
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Oz (not for everybody however)
The Office (UK & US)
Six Feet Under
Weeds (although this season is kinda dumb)
And Steph and Andrew, I am compelled to counter your recommendations of Carnival with an emphatic "NO WAY!" I HATED that show so much. I spent half a season thinking to myself, "Hey this is pretty interesting. Uh...at least I think it is". Then by the end of the season I realized that everything I found interesting was only because the show was being crytic and vauge. I won't say that people shouldn't or can't like it. But I felt like I wasted a good chunk of my life watching that crap. Kinda like when I watched I Heart Huckabees and Babel.
- i used to get Kinder Eggs from my friends in Germany and my friends in Japan & Taiwan. The ones from Germany had cheapy dollops of molded plastic. The ones from Asia had complex multi-piece kits that you put together for little feats of miniature engineering.
- i really liked the setting & tone of Carnivale. Up until the very last episode it was one of my favorite shows ever. From what i've read on the internet and the little hints dropped in the finale, i'm kind of glad that the show got cancelled & managed to retain its mystique. Clancy Brown, Clea DuVall, Michael J Anderson... the whole cast was awesome.
- i think i might need to netflix Oz for the strike. i liked the 2 or 3 episodes i saw, but was scared off a little by some of the more theatrical departures.
Do it Andrew. Oz is one of my favorite shows of all time. It does get a bit absurd during the last couple seasons. But it is still a lot of fun. The show has some of the best character development I've ever seen. I'm almost sure that it paved the way for shows like Lost that have ensemble casts and which the storyline is very much character driven. The show is worth it alone for the simply awesome performance by Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Mr. Eko). His character has to be the most vile, despicable guy in tv history. Yet you at times kinda like him. And Harold Perrineau (Michael) is the narrator. If you can get past the fact that prison couldn't possibly be that dangerous and that many murders couldn't constanty happen, and the violence doesn't bother you, it's a great show. Especially for it's time.
I feel live I've seen just about everything that there was on TV, although there's much more out there for me to explore. Things to catch up on while the strike is on for me:
Oz (Since I like Prison Break, I'll stick with a prison theme)
The Wire (I've heard good things about it)
30 Rock (I never caught it while it was on TV)
Entourage (just mindless fun)
Big Love (this just sounds interesting somehow)
Final thought: i just got back from lunch and had more margaritas than food. so i think i'm drunk now, either that or i just have a good buzz on. should make for an interesting work afternoon.
shhh... don't tell the boss.
Really awful: Keanu Reeves, David Anders (Kensei on Heroes), Malcolm McDowell, Eddie Izzard
Good: Marlon Brando, Johnny Depp, Peter Sellers (Dr. Strangelove)
So how do people rate the Brits on US TV at the moment - Kevin McKidd, Anna Friel, Damien Lewis, Hugh Laurie?
Also - Irish accent should not be attempted by Richard Gere ever again.
did someone mention Dr. Gregory House?
A lot of people here have no idea Hugh Laurie is/was a comedic actor originally. I remember "A bit of Fry and Laurie" on a Friday night or something similar.
I see 24 is not going to be released on time this season...and given last seasons 24 I cannot imagine it'll affect me in anyway.
Can I also mention that my favorite moment in Teletubbies is when the loud speakers come out of the ground...it's all so Orwellian to me!
Lost to air 8 eps in Feb: Interview with Damon Lindelof
It looks like Lost will air eight episodes and then go dark. Does it sadden you that you're not able to deliver those 16 in a row that were promised to the fans?
Yes, it does. I feel like the worst thing we could have done was to plan for a strike and plan accordingly. Everybody had to be optimistic, because then it would have felt like why does episode eight feel like such a conclusion? We learned last year that the show moves at a certain pace, and you can't build up critical momentum in the first six episodes. In fact, when you are doing 24 straight episodes of a show, the first six episodes are a lot of tap dancing and some writers are able to tap-dance very effectively. Cable writers don't have to tap-dance at all, which is why all their shows are so great.
Interesting.
Yeah, and I think that's something Heroes is getting unnecessary guff for right now, too. They're getting a lot of heat because the story can't really start until episode seven or eight. And I remember all this bad-mouthing going on about our show last year, and I talked to Tim [Kring]. I said, "This all feels so familiar to me—don't worry, it only takes one good episode to round the corner and then everybody is back on board again." But an eight-episode season is an incomplete season, and I am not going to try to spin it any other way.
At the end of the eighth episode, is there any sense of conclusion whatsoever?
It's as much of a conclusion as, say, Ana-Lucia and Libby getting shot.
Wow. Really?
Yes. And you'd be, like, oh my god, I can't believe I have to wait another year and two months for episode nine of this season.
So, it's a cliffhanger?
Yes. And that's the thing, we really planned out the three seasons of 16, 16 and 16...so the idea of having to come back and maybe do a 24-episode season, and that would be season five is just...I can't look the fans in the eye and tell them that we're executing the original plan anymore.
Will the storyline have to be tweaked?
The story will remain the same, but the way [it's] constructed is a lot like saying to J.K. Rowling, "Can you do it in eight books?" And she goes, "I don't want to write an eighth book." And they say, "How about you just take the seventh book and release two 400-page books?"
Hey everyone!
Sorry for being gone so much - I have sat down at the computer on no less than 10 different occasions in the past 2 weeks to post here and check in, but was pulled away by the craziness that is my life within seconds.
Just FYI - I don't recommend having a baby and moving simultaneously (well, almost at the same time) - NUCKING FUTS it is, I tell you. But tomorrow night I will be sleeping at a new address (FINALLY!)...with...The DEUCE. The little guy was delivered Oct. 26th and hasn't stopped eating (drinking) since. My boy can really put it away when it comes to appetite - man!
Anyway - I still have a lot to do this weekend - but I have been wanting to update you for 2 weeks, so - WHEW - I feel lighter already! :)
Just so I can feel like a part of the blogosphere again - I put a small spoiler on the SPLOG
Talk to you all after Comcast hooks me up at the new house (slow bastards)!
Generally you'll find that the more laid back the accent, the more convincing the British actor hence Laurie being much better than Izzard (who aways sounds like he's doing his tortuous Christopher Walken impression).
There are exceptions to every rule, though, and in this case his name is Tim Roth.
This is bad IMO. Cuz they had a set story to tell in season 3 that is unlikely to be told correctly. Not only will the episode 8 "season finale" be extremely frustrating, there was likely an original season 3 finale that will not be shown correctly or have the intended effect if lumped in with season 4. Man, this blows.
Oh, and congrats, MB. I think this may have finally caught up with you.
Precious MB!
Good luck with that whole Comcast thing. I've found the internet service to be good and the cable to suck at times and forget about switching my phone because everyone who does it is screwed like 8th circle of hell screwed.
Holli
Thanks for the update Jordan - but SHIT!
Well, that makes the title of my SPLOG post today innaccurate. (sigh) this is rough.
Thanks friendz! :)
Back to LOST. Messing with Cuseloff's vision -- not my favorite idea, but I'd still rather have 8 starting in Feb. even if I have to wait for #9. I'm not thrilled with what he said about tap dancing. There's only 48 episodes left yet. Take off those damn tap shoes.
Holli
When Tim Roth is screaming in pain after being shot in Reservoir Dogs, he reminds me of Mr. Jinx the cat. You know, "I hate these mieces to pieces!"
Holli, I think I'd honestly rather wait a few months, have them air season 3 as one than just get a few episodes and some unintended cliffhanger. From the sounds of it, dealing with the hiatus after episode 8 and it's "anna lucia getting shot" style cliffhanger is going to be more maddening than having to wait for season 3 to start.
And I simply am not a fan of a show's vision being messed with. To me, it can only adversely affect a show where the writers had a plan. Damon and Carlton basically have a rough outline. And on it, it says "Season 3 starts this way and ends this way". That's totally f'd up now.
Well, at least we can look forward to lots of "the strike is to blame" comments for when things don't go over well the rest of the way for the series.
mb, congrats!!! i'm really happy for you and eagerly await The Deuce's Thomas The Tank Engine Spoiler Blog.
jordan, i'm downloading the Uncharted demo. can't wait.
i've always heard that actors in English speaking parts of the world outside of the US can do a pretty good American accent just because of their over-exposure to American tv, movies, media. to illustrate this point, when i vacationed in England oh-so-many years ago, the only thing on TV was "Can't Buy Me Love" with McDreamy and his ride-on lawnmower.
oh! MB, Bruce Greenwood (nowhere man) will be Christopher Pike in the new Star Trek movie. BAD ASS.
p.s. those were spoilers
Last post should've read "season four" obviously.
Palmer, I can't wait to go home and check the Uncharted demo out. Sweet!
And one other thing about the writers strike. Yeah, they have a decent gripe about not getting a bigger cut on dvd and web content stuff. But what about all of the thousands and thousands of lesser people who work on tv shows who are now forced out of work? People who don't make anywhere near what the writers make and who are now not working with no reason. It's easy for the writers to strike so they can get a raise. But these stage hands and make up artists aren't getting anything out of this. Pretty egocentric on the writers part if you ask me. Oh wow, millionare Steve Carrell has no problem shutting down shop and supporting the writers. But what about everybody else. Like in most things in life, the little people get the shaft once again.
Hollywood is so quick to use the "think of the little people" angle when trying to throw a guilt trip on people for internet piracy, but totally ignore it in a case like this. Total bullshit IMO.
Thanks Palmer! I like that casting a lot - wish I knew more about Chris Pine (Kirk).
MB - I've read your spoiler and I approve. That's the only Bell LOST will ever need. Kristen Bell can sod off.
So, how has this strike even happened? Surely the conversation should have gone:
WRITERS
Hey, we've just noticed that we don't get any money for episodes sold online.
HOLLYWOOD
Shit, my bad. Of course you should get paid for your work, sorry for the oversight.
WRITERS
Hooray!
AUDIENCE
Hooray!
JACK BAUER
Damnit!
And yet there's talk of it going on until next year. Give them the money they've earned you greedy bastards.
Best case scenario as I see it. 8 episodes in Feb, 8 eps in normal fall season time, and then season 5 next Feb as planned. Is that too impossible to hope for? Or is it going to be all in Feb or bust?
I just don't see what the TV producers especially think they are going to gain from pushing the writers to strike. This will give everyone -- even the people who I contend fall asleep watching CBS shows and driving up their ratings -- time to figure out DVRs so that we can all skip commercials together and watch things on our own schedules.
If TV execs aren't going to uphold their end of the bargain by giving us new programming at given times, then we're not going to hold up our end by learning how to watch TV on our own schedule be it within the week DVR watching or waiting for DVD sets. The last prolonged writers strike drove overall TV viewership down 10-15% permanently.
This strike makes me angry at the execs, not the writers who want $.08 off the $30 I pay for a DVD. Seriously execs, you can't give them a .01% greater cut? It's not like you won't pass the cost along to us. This reminds me of how the first President Bush didn't know what a grocery store checkout scanner was. Do the network execs actually realize TiVo is something people use to avoid commercials and aren't some renegade cable network named Teev-O?
Holli
Sorry, but there's no rant. I know y'all will just skip it if it bores you.
The biggest problem with this air 8 and we'll get to the rest in the future stuff is that the actors and the directors guild contracts expire in 2008 as well. If they don't come up with a fair way to compensate the writers this is going to drag on for another year with the actors and directors. We could get 8, the writers could settle only for the actors and directors to walk out and leave us hanging another giant amount of time.
That's the last rant for tonight. Promise. New Office soon.
Holli
no = more in the first sentence of the last post. Sorry.
Holli
Yeah, I read that there's a strong possibility that both the actors and directors may strike next year. Might be a very dark period in television history. Get ready for a lot of reality television.
So is anyone planning to watch Quarterlife starting Sunday?
Holli
holli, is that show a parody?
wait. is that show a parody on purpose? or are they just accidentally making the worst show ever?
Palmer,
It's not meant to be a parody. It's 30 Something for 25 Somethings. It's the same people who made 30 Something and My So Called Life. Reviews, okay review I heard on NPR today, are pretty good. Each episode is only 8 minutes.
This strike must end so that my Thurs. night comedy lineup continues. Earl - The Nazi Gazpacho and 30 Rock - Pop Tarts just cracked me up. The Office - Michael and Dwight in the woods was a meh, but turning Jim into Michael, that was the British Office's Tim at his best. I also liked how they made it clear this office is like it is because of all of them, not just Michael.
Holli
"It's not meant to be a parody."
oh.
/jim halpert grimace to camera
holli, i imagine i must not be the target audience. sorry about that. i feel a bit like a jerk now. :)
i really was expecting it to be something like The 'Bu. no wonder there was no punchline at the end of the trailer...
well, i hope you enjoy it. but i dont think i'll be tuning in. unless the writer's strike really does last for 8 months...
I'm with Palmer on this. That show clearly isn't intended for "quartlife" people. As somebody just turned 26, I don't see much to relate with. Looks like a show about mid-twenty somethings written by mid-fourty somethings intended for mid teen-somethings.
And Palmer, I remember The Bu. Back when Andy Samberg was funny.
I like how they've brought back the "Jim is going to be trapped here at Dunder Mifflin for the rest of his life wasting his talents" joke if that's what it is.
The Deuce is so pretty, MB, that I'm afraid I'll catch Baby Fever.
the reason for the strike isn't simply getting an extra 4c for every DVD sale. The writing is on the wall for media switching over to primarily, and, eventually, exclusively download delivery. So the new contracts need to reflect the "new" revenue streams that are quickly replacing broadcast and syndication residuals. ("new" is in quotes because DVDs have been a striving format for a solid decade)
a helpful video
a funner video with the writers of "The Office"
Yeah Andrew, the real reason is internet and other "new media" distribution, but the reason they are fighting so hard is that got screwed on DVDs last time around.
And the reason the producers are fighting so hard is that the actors and directors are going to want the same type of "new media" deals. But what I don't get is why the producers don't see that this is indeed the writing on the wall and come up with a percentage. If there's no profits, 1% of nothing is nothing. I guess the real fear is that this is indeed a giant money center and they don't want to give too much. Heaven forbid we overpay anyone but executives in the entertainment industry.
Back to Quarterlife. I don't know if I'll watch, but I might. I watched 30 something before I was a 30 something. I didn't watch My So-Called Life, so I guess as a (cough) 40 something I could try to relive my mid-20s by watching. Who knows. It's just 8 minutes of suck if it sucks. I've been watching Heroes this season, so I know I've got the stomach for at least 8 minutes of suck.
Holli
I knew The Office set had shut down, but I didn't realize that meant next week may be the last new episode.
Holli
"I know I've got the stomach for at least 8 minutes of suck."
that's what she said.
/ashamed
MB, you never told us what the little guys name was (or did I miss it?)
Romance Over
well, that sucks for our favorite hobbit.
where's Kim lately? and did she see this?
CONGRATS, MB!
The Deuce is adorable! I bet he's not so adorable when he's screaming at the top of his lungs, but he's so pretty to look at.
i wonder when MB's sidekick Mac will have a baby?
/nerd humor
I liked how 30 Rock was able to fulfill it's "green" quota while still making fun of NBC for green week. Earl and Chuck also took small jabs at the network for capitalizing on the trendy buzz.
Lol Palmer - 'and i shall call him...mini mac'
Thanks for the continued congrats! The Deuce's actual name is Andrew (your welcome blogspot Andrew :)
Talk to you all when Comcast deems me worthy of service (ugh)
You all rock!
Andrew is a good solid name, MB. Keep us updated on The Deuce's latest antics as time goes...
-blogspot ate my post
-i have a legacy! Andrew is a good solid name, good choice. Aside from trying to call me Andy, the worst the playground could come up with was Andrew-The-Bandrew, which, to my knowledge, doesn't mean anything.
-Watching the whole NBC Thursday line-up, i really appreciated "30 Rock" more and more as the night went on. All of the shows openly mocked the green movement while pretending to pay lip service to it. They all featured activists annoying the other characters by being too earnest.
I heart 30 Rock. Last season I thought the show was a little, um, wobbly(?). But I get it now.
good lord, today is boring.
What was so great about 30 Rock mocking the green week thing is that they actually had a network head talking about exploiting green consciousness for tv ratings. lol. And on Earl they even parodied the meeting where the network told the show that they had to force something green into the show even if it didn't fit with what they had planned. Love it.
Steph, 30 Rock slowly got better during the first season. At the beginning I wasn't too thrilled, but by the end I loved it. There was obvious slight retooling as they figured out how to best do their show. The main thing I noticed was that they began to focus more on Tina Fey and Alec Baldwin. Which I think was a smart move. Both are outstanding. And if the show has a weekness IMO, it's a bit lackluster supporting cast. Tracey Morgan and the goofy page guy can be funny, but the rest usually aren't that great.
Palmer, Did you play the Uncharted demo yet? I kept running out of ammo and having to run around punching guys with machine guns in the face. Pretty fun though.
Uncharted is 60something% downloaded. will finish it tonight and then play over the 3 day weekend. huzzah!!!
i really like firmware 2.0. something about that little news ticker makes it seem much more user friendly. stupid, huh? but it makes a difference even though its not at all useful.
the game that just saved me from massive boredom at work
Palmer, that game is pretty fun. I'm on level 12. I totally just beat a level while doing a complete backflip by accent. lol.
I hate this game.
Finally! Only took me 18 minutes, with a couple of actual work breaks, to beat level 12! I haven't felt this fulfilled at work in ages. lol.
Mines blocked. That's ok cause I have work. Dang it.
"...Vulcan mother of a young Spock..."
Erm....
MAYBE the report has got it wrong.
If not then...
it doesn't fill me with confidence for the accuracy of the rest of the film.
george bush rocks!
Get your George Bush Rocks here. Igneous formations with the face of the President of the World carved on by laser technology. Choose from between pebble, boulder, mountain and planet. Mount Rushmore enthusiasts, take advantage of our BUSHMORE offer, buy four George Bush mountains for the price of three. Be the envy of other national monuments.
etc.
You silly Americans. The only people in the world who don't realize what a wanker your president is.
are those George H.W. Bush Rocks or George W. Bush Rocks? cuz that could affect resale value...
p.s. boobs.
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