OK, 2nd viewing thoughts... the part with charlie jumping into the swimming pool as a kid felt really clunky and he might as well have had a chat with hurley on the beach and said "hey guess what, there was this time when i was kid i was afraid of water, but now i can swim" I thought it was a little hastily added. Secondly, listen through headphones to the bit where Sayid is looking at the blueprints and explaining what they should do - there is a bit where he says "how do we stop it to get working?" just after that the camera shot is behind him and he says "So we can use the satellite phone" That last sentence is so ridiculously put in during post production, it sounds completely different and not the most necessary piece of information. that gap could have been filled with Juliet saying "Locke is linked with the island because...." !!
"Later Dudes, I'm going to the Hatch!" There are many times audio is re-dubbed because of natural sounds they can't get rid of while filming (the ocean, wind, etc...)
My guess is that the audio probably was supposed to be there, but they added it cleanly in post production.
Elias - how excellent to have a UK rep who can recognize places and accents. BTW what was wrong with little Charlie's accent? I of course can't tell differences much unless your talking London vs. Liverpool or something drastic.
I actually kind of liked the scene with Charlie and his dad. Maybe because everyone has daddy issues on that show, that I was SURE that his dad wasn't going to catch him, and I was pleasantly surprised that it turned out to be a happy memory.
I can actually buy that Charlie was lying back during season 1 when he said that he couldn't swim. Wasn't he either actively using or withdrawing at that time? Probably wasn't in much condition to be doing any water rescuing at that time.
You know, compared to this episode, all of the other Charlie flashbacks were crap. I was really glad to see him go out this way (if he does in fact end up dying). I'm happy to have him go out on a high note like that. Although I suppose if he died now it would be a bit anticlimactic, wouldn't it?
Going back to the Stephen King flicks from the previous thread, I totally forgot about Stand By Me. Best line ever in a movie: "A pile of shit has a thousand eyes...!"
"Although I suppose if he died now it would be a bit anticlimactic, wouldn't it?"
Agreed. I actually have a rather general theory about tv show death cliffhangers. It's that nearly every time a character's life hangs in the balance at the end of a show, they usually end up living. Why? Because exactly what Aimee said, it's anticlimactic.
The big deal on these shows with killing off a character is that it's somewhat unexpected and that it's a real, "WOW!" moment. When an entire audience has braced themselves a week in advance, a character's death holds much less "umph" value. This is the exact reason I didn't think Eko, Charlie, or Desmond were dead at the end of last season, and it's the reason I highly doubt Locke is dead. You don't pass up the big, "holy crap!" moment, to simply say, "oh yeah, they ended up dying" next episode. All the shock and emotion from the initial incident is lost. But I guess it's a bit different with Charlie right now as he has yet to be wounded.
There's usually a basic formula to how tv shows kill off characters. And the long drawn out, audience expecting it for weeks thing, isn't usually a part of it. That said, I'm not so sure about Charlie. But if he does die, after such an emotional episode where the entire audience spends the whole ep preparing themselves for his death, it will be a bit anticlimactic if it happens next week.
But for some reason I'm thinking everything going on down in the Looking Glass is going to be left in a bit of a cliffhanger going into next season.
Holy crap. I just read that Jenna Fischer (Pam from The Office) fell down a staircase and broke 4 bones in her back! Yikes! Hope she is ok.
Speaking of The Office. Is everybody whose of a fan of the show excited for the hour long finale tonight? I sure as heck am.
I actually read somewhere that they shot 4 possible endings, and that which ending they use came down to the last minute as everything depended on a certain actor possibly joining a new show that was just picked up by Fox.
What do people think about why Ben moved the attack up a day - is it just that Locke lifted the taperecorder? Or does it maybe also have to do with Naomi being on the beach now. If Sayid is right, and Naomi might not be working for Penny, perhaps she's from something else which threatens Ben. I don't know - I'm reaching.
Vern: You think Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman? Teddy: What are you, cracked? Vern: No, I saw him on TV the other day, he was holding five elephants in one hand. Teddy: Boy, you don't know nothing. Mighty Mouse is a cartoon. Superman's a real guy. There's no way a cartoon could beat up a real guy. Vern: I guess you're right. It'd be a good fight though.
Yeah, I dunno mb. I think Ben is just losing it in general. The Locke/Jacob stuff pushed him over the edge. His calculated and cool demeanor has been replaced with insecurity, panic, and anger.
Ben moved up the snatching (not a vagina reference) because the tape was missing and because he is pissed off about the whole Locke thing. Time to take out his aggression.
The most messed up thing about Goofy that always bugged me was that he's a dog & so is Pluto. Yet Pluto is a pet to a mouse. Why? Just because he can't speak Mickey's language like Goofy? That's like me having a Chinese man as a pet simply because he does not speak English. And then at times my Chinese friend who does speak English comes over and we take my pet Chinese guy out to go play fetch.
Jordan, I can't remember where I heard this, but Pluto is a pet and can't speak because he doesn't wear clothes. Goofy speaks because he wears clothes. And given Mickey's usual level of dress, it doesn't take much clothes.
MB, back to LOST. I think Ben moved up the raid to give everyone something to do other than ask him questions.
Is anyone else sick of this Jim/Pam thing? I already went through this in the UK version with Tim & Dawn. Pam drives me up the frickin' wall! I want Jim to be with Karen.
And another thing. Why doesn't Donald Duck wear pants? And more so, why is everybody else so cool with this fact? If I had a friend who walked around pantless and with no underwear, I think I would bring it to his attention.
So Goofy is basically a very evolved dog ... he's learned to rise above being a simple pet, and now wears clothes and speaks English. So Mickey and Donald accept him as an equal. I bet Pluto would like to tear off Goofy's head and crap down his neck.
As for the pants thing, I think that, among cartoon animals, pants are optional. Hence not only Donald Duck, but Porky Pig. And Bugs and Daffy go without clothes altogether.
morgan and ally, i am pretty sick of Pam and Jim too (Pim? Jam?). i think if Jim cut his hair so he didn't look like Paige Davis, i might feel differently.
I bet Goofy regresses every once in awhile and eats out of a litter box or something. Something dog-like like Brian on Family Guy; scooting on the floor, leaving a dead bird on a pillow... I wonder if Goofy barks when he vacuums? Or maybe he's to scared to do it, staring at the closet for hours, knowing that Hoover is in there...waiting.
I thought this episodes was one of the better ones this season. After countless episodes that really showed no mystery or depth compared to season 2, this was a breath of fresh air. As far as accents go, or where charlie was playing wonderwall, it's forgivable. Just my two cents.
who's gonna be watching that show? don't people get enough about cavemen from the commercials? and who's thinking somewhere, we should make a show about this?
I know the commercials are popular (I can't stand them btw), but seriously. "Wow! A tv show about a sarcastic caveman who gets annoyed at being belittled all the time. Hilarious!" This is like having a tv show about the Budweiser frogs or the wazzup guys.
Deep Thought: You're really not going to like it. Lunkwill: Tell us. Deep Thought: The answer to the Great Question... Lunkwill: Yes? Deep Thought: ...of life, the universe, and everything... Lunkwill: Yes? Deep Thought: ...is... Fook: Yes? Deep Thought: ...is... Lunkwill: Yes? Fook: Yes? Deep Thought: Forty-two. (stunned silence) Lunkwill: Forty-two? Fook: Forty-two? Deep Thought: It was a tough assignment.
MB - when Mikhail came back last week with information about Naomi he wanted to attack the Losties immediately. Ben would have done so if Locke hadn't got in the way.
As the other English 'rep' as mb has taken to calling us - i thought it particularly funny that Butlins was mentioned, and Clitheroe, and as an Englishman, i can find it funny. Nobody else can. Unless you've spent a week at Butlins with your mum and your nan - what a strange up-bringing i had. You ever been Elias? You seem like the sort of person who would go to Center Parcs....
I've never been to Butlins but I've been to Centre Parcs. We used to rent some cabins in my uni days. I'll only say that some unspeakable things happened in Sherwood Forest.
The thought of Butlins' nobbly knee competitions and Bernard Manning always put me off. :)
i remember visiting England and seeing the Teletubbies on the TV before anyone in the US had ever heard of them.
"thank god that nothing like that would ever get popular in the US" i said not knowing that i had doomed my country to years upon years of tinky winky.
Morgan, your point about Goofy is the funniest thing I've read all day. I wonder if, when he's all alone, he eats his dinner out of a bowl on the floor.
Palmer, I've only read the first book of Hitchhiker's and saw the movie that came out a few years ago. I'm determined to watch the old BBC show during the hiatus. I've got a ton of stuff lined up for the hiatus.
morgan, the BBC mini is sort of like a radio show with video (since it was adapted from a radio show). it's very plodding and methodical. the actors, special effects, and props are ridiculous looking but if you can muscle through it, the dialogue is very clever and entertaining.
Way back up there somewhere Elias mentioned that Mikhail wanted to storm the beach last week, but Locke got in the way. But when Ben sends Pryce, the new Pickett out, he doesn't mention look for the sat phone or anything like that. Do you think Patchy will go on that mission on his own?
So, predictions for the season finale? Upon listening to J&J's podcast this morning, Jack mentioned there'd be a traitor in the camp, & that's why Ben was rushing the attack. I say Kate. I don't suspect of Naomi at all. Juliet is the obvious second choice, if at all.
I'm flying tomorrow and I'm trying to avoid checking luggage so I checked the TSA website and learned: Gel-filled bras may be worn through security screening and aboard aircraft. I guess this will the next terrorist idea.
I also learned you can bring Personal lubricants - You are allowed to carry up to 3 oz., of eye drops in a clear, one-quart plastic bag. I didn't think you put personal lubricants in your eyes.
More good news for Ralph, you can carry on Toy Transformer Robots, but you can't carry on a Cricket bat, Spear gun or Throwing stars. And this is tragic: Snow globes and like decorations regardless of size or amount of liquid inside, even with documentation.
Oh I see, me, myself I've never liked them, they ruin all the fun, on or offseason. I like my lost like my sex, spontaneous. If that makes any sense.
I've got to say, I'm totally lost during the Office/Heroes talk (no pun)
Am I wierd because I only watch 1 show? that 1 show being the greatest of all TIME?!?!?! seriously I only have enough love in my heart for 1 show. in the offseason I will be purchasing Sopranos season 1 (yes, I'm late)
MB - that one was for you. I'll join you in the offseason.
Pablo - check out 1 episode of both Heroes and the Office. they're both worth at least casual viewing. The Office is steadily surpassing the english version.
I like my sex like my Lost - once a week at a set time ;)
Re: spoilers (must speak as I am responsible for spoiling people), I think it's just a different way of watching the show. Personally, spoilers do not make watching any less enjoyable for me - and frankly they sometimes even help me process the complexity which is Lost. They don't spoil my experience mainly because, with the exception of REALLY detailed spoilers, they don't really express the drama that you experience when it happens. For example - I knew Naomi the parachutist was coming, but the fact that there was a parachutist doesn't tell you how the characters are going to react, or what emotional themes are going to be played up as a result of her arrival - you can guess, but spoilers are generally just factoids in a vacuum. Once I knew she was coming - it freed my brain up from the suprise so that when I watched it, I could focus on other stuff. And the fact that I usually only have time to watch an episode once, means that the foreknowledge really helps me get more out of one viewing. Anyway - more info than anyone was asking for - but I was trying to think "why DO I enjoy spoilers?"
I've seen aproximately 2 episodes of the office. When "Earl" debuted I really wanted to get into it, and subsequently caught Office also, I liked, just don't have the devotion for it. I'd definitely watch the seasons on dvd though. I'll probably catch heroes on dvd too, I just the you guys' (and gals') recomendations based on your excellent choice of Lost.
MB, I used to be into spoilers during season 2 and most of season 3, but after awhile I got tired of not being surprised. The last spoilers I heard were for "The Man from Tallahassee" and it completely ruined the episode for me. So I only listen to the beginning of your segment before you get really into it.
heroes/office/sopranos is a great prospect if you haven't seen them all. I wish I could get selective amnesia so I could watch them all again for the first time.
i like that the parents let a baby walk into a breakdancing floor. that's parent of the year material. let's feed the kids some paint chips and have her sleep in a drawer while we're at it.
Elias, First American football. Now saying that the American Office is surpassing the original? Wow. You truly are one of us. lol
Regarding The Office. Before they made the US adaptation, I was a HUGE fan of the original. I owned the entire series. I was terrified and annoyed when I heard that they were going to do an American version. I mean, just look at the history of British sitcoms murdered in America. But I was happy to see that they did a good job. The first season was a bit of a learning experience for the writers and cast. But things really picked up and took off in season two. I recently went back and watched the original. It's really quite amazing how different the two shows are now.
lmao @ the song in the back though, I was just loading that into my niece, Jessica's shuffle, what a small world. Coincidence or lost flashback moment?!??!!
i saw the breakdancing video at lunch the other day on the news while eating a sandwich. the newscaster goes "Now, watch this!" and they play the video without explanation and then go to commercial. everyone in the sandwich shop was like "WTF?!"
good times. breakdancing is so fun that you'll kick a baby right in the face.
'If you want the rainbow, you've gotta put up with the rain.' Do you know which "philosopher" said that? Dolly Parton. And people say she's just a big pair of tits.
I'm sure the UK guys can comment further. But I think it's pretty common over there for tv shows to only last a couple seasons. Add to that how short their seasons are and you have very short series.
If I have to power to say who wins the thread, I say Elias! The reason for my absence today has to do with that magic box to which you were referring earlier. It made my brand-spanking new computer sick. Or it allowed it to be. Pablo, DVD is a fantastic way to watch The Office. My coworker, who is not a tv watcher, completely enjoyed watching me enjoy the DVDs she gave to me for Christmas. I plan to catch up on the British version, one day. The kid that was kicked parents should be kicked.
Pablo - not positive, but I thought Heroes DVDs were going to be available before August. I had read about an August release date, and then Greg Grunberg said in some interview that it was going to be sooner. But there are people her much more in the know I'm sure.
In other news. I got my Certification to teach high school today. WOOHOO been trying since i graduated. I might get a real job now!! woohoo. Sorry i am uber excited.
I am about to have a panic attack over all this good tv! Why can't they spread out this goodness over the course of several weeks instead of bombarding us with it all at once? Crap, no matter how good Lost is next week, it can't be as satifying as Jim and Pam. I am in shock!! Hubby called me retarded for shedding tears over it. How stupid does John Krasinski's new movie look? Very! Why won't blogger take my new pic?
Finally had a chance to read through all the posts. Wow! Great comments from everyone. I'm in the "very good episode" camp. Nice emotional buildup for the finale.
mb - I'm with you on the spoilers. Look forward to your segment on TLI each week. Thanks for all your work on that.
I'm going to start offering Holli half-dollars as a motivational tool. I'm awarding 3 tonight to Elias for equating his sex life to LOST. The exchange rate to Shrute Bucks is the same as that of the Stanley Nickle.
So where on the internet can I get my own Shrute bucks? Surely it's out there.
Why can't I stop listening to The Shins' "New Slang"? I'd venture to say I'm still depressed from that charlie episode. That shit really got to me, I couldn't sleep last night.
I havn't really heard anyone mention it yet, maybe because it goes without saying BUT, Charlie and the gang's acting last night was PHENOMENAL, you guys see charlie almost break down right before he jumped into the ocean?
Damn, nothing like coming back to the blogspot after a day and finding 300+ new posts. Impressive.
I totally enjoyed The Office tonight, but I thought Jim would go Takezo Kensei and rip out his own heart so that Karen would take the job, and he could die in Pam's arms in Scranton.
And speaking of Heroes and The Office, too bad that Linderman is too dead to heal Jenna FIscher's back. Get well soon, Pammy.
And I totally welled up more when Charlie was talking to Claire than when he said goodbye to Hurley. After all, Charlie has no chance at banging Hurley, so there's no mystery there. But to my knowledge, he hasn't taken a roll in the sand with Claire yet, so I got all sad when he might not ever get a chance to.
And Aimee, do you want a hint as to who's behind the Boner? Or have you remembered yet?
Awesome Office. I knew that Karen wasn't getting the job because she's leaving the show. Rashida Jones who plays her is starring in a sitcom on Fox next year. I loved the Ryan reveal at the end. Didn't see that coming. I may just be a easy mark, but Pam has been so cute the past few ep's. I love Jenna Fischer. And yeah, Jim's haircut looked pretty lame. Same haircut he has in that crappy looking movie he's in with Robin Williams and Mandy Moore. So much goodness in this ep. Can't think of it all. Let me preface this comment by saying that I'm not usually a huge "boob man". But I found Jan's "enhancement" to be oh so hot. Damn. I really hope she's still on the show next season. ;)
I loved The Office, but I was bothered by Jan's sudden craziness. It seems to come out of nowhere. Very uncharacteristic of her. I agree with Kim: the Pam/Jim thing was anticlimactic. So what's up with Karen? She didn't get the job, so she'll still be in Scranton until Jim breaks her heart and she leaves. And Ryan's finally getting away from Kelly! What a surprise!
Elias - you should be up now. re: Center Parcs, i have a couple of mates who went there a good few years back - the East Anglia one i think. Anyway, bored and stoned one night, they changed the 'Center Parcs' on the duvet cover, with a fat permanent pen, to Cunty Prics. Which i, for one, thought was genius.
Holy lostmania, Batman! What a great episode it was once again. The final is gonna blow my mind and then mash it up, add some pice and cook it up nice! I'm sure.
Also, I agree with the screenshot, but I think Charlie was able to swim all the time. He just said "I.. I can't swim" in one of those early episodes, cause I think he was a cowardly drug addict back then. I'm gonna go out on a limb and generalize and say, them addics don't tend to be very... what's the word describing "love thy neighbour"? :)
Long story short: Sayer will adress Charlie about it and we'll get a throw away line like:" man, i was a sodding addict back then; saving drowning blokes wasn't my first concern." Or someting.
Wesh, Charlie actually said back in White Rabbit "I DON'T swim," not I can't swim, but there was still a WTF quality to Charlie's swimming all of a sudden.
I didn't watch the clip show yet. I probably won't until Monday pm at the earliest, but wait there's Heroes then, so Tuesday.
Good hair tribute Steph. And Kim your baby video was truly wrong and truly hilarious. You both are awarded 2 Holli Half-dollars. Are Holli Half-dollars the unicorns are leprechans in the exchange rate equation?
As for the Jam stuff, it was kind of anti-climactic, but I liked it that way. I wonder what happened when Karen found out her ass had been left in NYC. I guess she'll just be staying there. And the Ryan twist at the end was great. I can't wait to see Ryan be Michael's boss.
Because I didn't expect Jam to happen, it was a total surprise. I loved it!! I'll probably see that horrible looking movie with Robin Williams anyways. I think it showed just how determined Charlie was to get Claire and Aaron rescued, he swam even though he doesn't know how or feel comfortable in the water.
Pam is not paralyzed. but she did break her back. 4 bones. ouch! she'll supposedly be fine though. just gotta sit around and wait for her back bones to mend. poor lady!
holli, i found myself marveling at all sorts of asshole moments during the office. pam's "i hope you get the job" to karen was one moment. "hope you get the job so you leave and i can smooch your boyfriend." and jim's leaving karen behind to ask out pam was another asshole thing to do. i was expecting Jim to throw the interview so Karen would get the job so he could date Pam.
and Jan's being somewhat crazy has been known for awhile, poster above who didn't see it coming. she's dating michael. that's clue number one. she does career destructing stuff (like dating michael). she video tapes her "sessions" with michael for her therapist to watch... that's some f--ked up shit.
it's not that big a deal that some guy who doesn't like to swim or is not good at swimming actually swam. i think i heard someone on the interwebs or a podcast call in theorize that charlie's swimming must be a product of an alternate timeline thanks to desmond. yeesh! the dude just manned up and swam.
Hey Kim and Aimee, im Gavin from England whooooo any way just wanted to say that this was an amazing episode and cant wait for next weeks finale. Will he die or wont he hmmm that is the question any way post again soon. Your podcast is amazing by the way.
palmer, I heard that theory too about alternate timelines, and it drives me crazy. Because if they use 'Desmond changed the timeline' as an explanation for why Charlie can swim now, then they can start using that for any inconsistency in the show ... and if that's the case, then I think we really can officially say that the show will have jumped the shark, because it will mean that everything that we've seen might not have any meaning anymore.
I agree that there's a much simpler explanation ... we know that Charlie wasn't being honest when he told Jack that he was a champion swimmer, he was just saying that so that he could do the mission. We also know that Dez had to rescue Claire that one time, because Charlie would have drowned if he had done it. So Charlie is probably just an average or below average swimmer, who knew that he wasn't strong enough to swim out and save Boone & that chick during season 1, and didn't want to admit it. Throw in the fact that he was either high or in withdrawal, and a little white lie seems pretty plausible.
I much prefer the manning up explanation for Charlie's swimming to alternate timelines. It's also a good thing he has threesome experience heading into next week.
I don't know about generators for next week. We can all fight about who is Tweedledee and who is Tweedledum. They came from "Through the Looking Glass." Humpty Dumpty is in it too. Any ideas will be welcome since I won't have all weekend to sit here and look.
Hope everyone has a good one. I'll be back Tuesday and looking forward to all the Dharmalar and TLI goodness that will be waiting for my iPod.
To be fair Charlie didnt do alot of swimming anyway the weight belt pulls him down then it was only 20 yards to the entrance. Even if i couldnt swim im shore i could manage 20 yards to save 40 or so people or how ever many ar left
-we did get a shot of Vincent on the leash with Hurley last episode
-i agree with everyone that Charlie swimming was just a man-up situation. my only problem with that is that Charlie was swimming fully clothed. I had to swim fully clothed to get certified as a lifeguard and it is extremely hard. Your pants become their own weight belt really quickly. But, Like Handsome Jack said, that's just the way they swim on that island.
-Also, showing him learning to swim at a young age further confused the issue.
i was reading something the other day that said cusealoff have known what has been happening since the begin and already know why everything is happening and when we know what the island is all the little mysteries will make sense like the bodys in the caves. maybe charlie saying he couldnt swim was just anouther point that wont make sense until the end or whenever. it cant be a mistake because they have got smaller details than that right. it has to have something to do with desmonds time travel.
Gavin, don't go there. If it's time travel, then they're basically saying that they can change anything that's already happened in the show anytime that they want. Talk about a way to rend meaningless everything that we've seen...
Her representative tells the New York Daily News, "She avoided anything scary near the spine and she'll make a full recovery in time to shoot season four of The Office this summer."
I have to say they would really be jumping the shark but thats what everythings been pointing to. o well ill guess we'll know by 2010 lol. ........ Just for the record im against the time travel thing.
I think people are making too big a deal outta the Charlie swimming thing. How was what he did so amazing? He was holding a weight belt and simply swam down. Adrenaline makes people do crazy things, like mothers lifting cars to save their babies. I don't understand why people can't just accept things as Charlie really stepped up for Claire. Where exactly alternate timelines and shark jumping comes to play, I don't get it.
Checked Lostpedia on Charlie's line in White Rabbit. He said "I don't swim." http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/White_Rabbit_transcript
I take that to mean he won't - maybe because of the drug stuff already mentioned or some other bad experience we didn't see - not that he can't. So, I don't see it as such a big deal, especially because he sank his way down and didn't have to do much swimming. If nothing else the man-up explanation works for me.
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Aimee, Doc Jensen has some more book suggestions for you.
Holli
Charlie can't swim. But the dude can sink like nobody's business.
OK, 2nd viewing thoughts...
the part with charlie jumping into the swimming pool as a kid felt really clunky and he might as well have had a chat with hurley on the beach and said "hey guess what, there was this time when i was kid i was afraid of water, but now i can swim" I thought it was a little hastily added.
Secondly, listen through headphones to the bit where Sayid is looking at the blueprints and explaining what they should do - there is a bit where he says "how do we stop it to get working?" just after that the camera shot is behind him and he says "So we can use the satellite phone" That last sentence is so ridiculously put in during post production, it sounds completely different and not the most necessary piece of information. that gap could have been filled with Juliet saying "Locke is linked with the island because...."
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Thanks for the heads up Steph!
Yes, thank you Steph.
The bad accents of young Charlie and his dad really took me out of the scene.
Jay is right about busking locations - in Flashes he's in Picadilly Circus, in Greatest Hits he's in Covent Garden.
Lostpedia reckons Charlie's Top 5 list is a nod to Nick Hornby's High Fidelity.
Yeah Elias. Charlie's dad's accent sounded like a bad cartoon.
"Later Dudes, I'm going to the Hatch!" There are many times audio is re-dubbed because of natural sounds they can't get rid of while filming (the ocean, wind, etc...)
My guess is that the audio probably was supposed to be there, but they added it cleanly in post production.
Elias - how excellent to have a UK rep who can recognize places and accents. BTW what was wrong with little Charlie's accent? I of course can't tell differences much unless your talking London vs. Liverpool or something drastic.
I agree with Charlie's dad's accent, it was kinda distracting.
Really funny belly button video.
Holli
Well... both locations were Hawaii but I'm sure that it was dressed as Picadilly in Flashes.
Charlie's dad sounded Irish and Scottish depending on which word he said.
Still a great episode and I loved the flashback structure (very short segments above all). It's a shame they can't repeat this format.
I actually kind of liked the scene with Charlie and his dad. Maybe because everyone has daddy issues on that show, that I was SURE that his dad wasn't going to catch him, and I was pleasantly surprised that it turned out to be a happy memory.
I can actually buy that Charlie was lying back during season 1 when he said that he couldn't swim. Wasn't he either actively using or withdrawing at that time? Probably wasn't in much condition to be doing any water rescuing at that time.
You know, compared to this episode, all of the other Charlie flashbacks were crap. I was really glad to see him go out this way (if he does in fact end up dying). I'm happy to have him go out on a high note like that. Although I suppose if he died now it would be a bit anticlimactic, wouldn't it?
Going back to the Stephen King flicks from the previous thread, I totally forgot about Stand By Me. Best line ever in a movie: "A pile of shit has a thousand eyes...!"
Coincidence or Fate? The Music Slut has posted Radiohead covering Wonderwall. Dom Monaghan was touting Radiohead on the OLP this week.
Holli
"He can't be a dog. He drives a car and wears a hat."
Lovely stuff.
"Although I suppose if he died now it would be a bit anticlimactic, wouldn't it?"
Agreed. I actually have a rather general theory about tv show death cliffhangers. It's that nearly every time a character's life hangs in the balance at the end of a show, they usually end up living. Why? Because exactly what Aimee said, it's anticlimactic.
The big deal on these shows with killing off a character is that it's somewhat unexpected and that it's a real, "WOW!" moment. When an entire audience has braced themselves a week in advance, a character's death holds much less "umph" value. This is the exact reason I didn't think Eko, Charlie, or Desmond were dead at the end of last season, and it's the reason I highly doubt Locke is dead. You don't pass up the big, "holy crap!" moment, to simply say, "oh yeah, they ended up dying" next episode. All the shock and emotion from the initial incident is lost. But I guess it's a bit different with Charlie right now as he has yet to be wounded.
There's usually a basic formula to how tv shows kill off characters. And the long drawn out, audience expecting it for weeks thing, isn't usually a part of it. That said, I'm not so sure about Charlie. But if he does die, after such an emotional episode where the entire audience spends the whole ep preparing themselves for his death, it will be a bit anticlimactic if it happens next week.
But for some reason I'm thinking everything going on down in the Looking Glass is going to be left in a bit of a cliffhanger going into next season.
"I brought the comb!"
Holy crap. I just read that Jenna Fischer (Pam from The Office) fell down a staircase and broke 4 bones in her back! Yikes! Hope she is ok.
Speaking of The Office. Is everybody whose of a fan of the show excited for the hour long finale tonight? I sure as heck am.
I actually read somewhere that they shot 4 possible endings, and that which ending they use came down to the last minute as everything depended on a certain actor possibly joining a new show that was just picked up by Fox.
having never seen Stand By Me, i can offer this conversation nothing other than a picture of Wil Wheaton
oh. and ever read "The Dead Zone?"
What do people think about why Ben moved the attack up a day - is it just that Locke lifted the taperecorder? Or does it maybe also have to do with Naomi being on the beach now. If Sayid is right, and Naomi might not be working for Penny, perhaps she's from something else which threatens Ben. I don't know - I'm reaching.
Vern: You think Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman?
Teddy: What are you, cracked?
Vern: No, I saw him on TV the other day, he was holding five elephants in one hand.
Teddy: Boy, you don't know nothing. Mighty Mouse is a cartoon. Superman's a real guy. There's no way a cartoon could beat up a real guy.
Vern: I guess you're right. It'd be a good fight though.
jordan, holy crapazoid about jenna fischer. and just when she started straightening her hair and being hot. damnit!
Yeah, I dunno mb. I think Ben is just losing it in general. The Locke/Jacob stuff pushed him over the edge. His calculated and cool demeanor has been replaced with insecurity, panic, and anger.
Ben moved up the snatching (not a vagina reference) because the tape was missing and because he is pissed off about the whole Locke thing. Time to take out his aggression.
Thanks for clarifying the non-reference.
:)
The most messed up thing about Goofy that always bugged me was that he's a dog & so is Pluto. Yet Pluto is a pet to a mouse. Why? Just because he can't speak Mickey's language like Goofy? That's like me having a Chinese man as a pet simply because he does not speak English. And then at times my Chinese friend who does speak English comes over and we take my pet Chinese guy out to go play fetch.
Jordan, I can't remember where I heard this, but Pluto is a pet and can't speak because he doesn't wear clothes. Goofy speaks because he wears clothes. And given Mickey's usual level of dress, it doesn't take much clothes.
MB, back to LOST. I think Ben moved up the raid to give everyone something to do other than ask him questions.
Holli
Palmer, excellent non-vaginal use of snatching.
Holli
Is anyone else sick of this Jim/Pam thing? I already went through this in the UK version with Tim & Dawn. Pam drives me up the frickin' wall! I want Jim to be with Karen.
And another thing. Why doesn't Donald Duck wear pants? And more so, why is everybody else so cool with this fact? If I had a friend who walked around pantless and with no underwear, I think I would bring it to his attention.
totally agree, morgan!
she had her chance and lost it. she needs to move on, or at least let jim move on.
what i think is weird about donald not wearing any pants is that, how come when he comes out of the shower he wears a towel around his waist?
he doesn't seem so concerned about his junk the rest of the time.
So Goofy is basically a very evolved dog ... he's learned to rise above being a simple pet, and now wears clothes and speaks English. So Mickey and Donald accept him as an equal. I bet Pluto would like to tear off Goofy's head and crap down his neck.
As for the pants thing, I think that, among cartoon animals, pants are optional. Hence not only Donald Duck, but Porky Pig. And Bugs and Daffy go without clothes altogether.
Donald Duck is hung like Chuck Norris. No one speaks out of turn about his pantslessness because they're all in awe.
Good point Ally.
morgan and ally, i am pretty sick of Pam and Jim too (Pim? Jam?). i think if Jim cut his hair so he didn't look like Paige Davis, i might feel differently.
I bet Goofy regresses every once in awhile and eats out of a litter box or something. Something dog-like like Brian on Family Guy; scooting on the floor, leaving a dead bird on a pillow... I wonder if Goofy barks when he vacuums? Or maybe he's to scared to do it, staring at the closet for hours, knowing that Hoover is in there...waiting.
Palmer - Belated Kablammo for you on 42
I thought this episodes was one of the better ones this season. After countless episodes that really showed no mystery or depth compared to season 2, this was a breath of fresh air. As far as accents go, or where charlie was playing wonderwall, it's forgivable. Just my two cents.
ABC has a new show based on the Geico cavemen. What is this world coming to?
The world just got a whole lot stupider
mb, 42? what kind of an answer is 42?!
/have my towel ready
who's gonna be watching that show? don't people get enough about cavemen from the commercials? and who's thinking somewhere, we should make a show about this?
ok enough with the questions.
:)
42 = Life, the Universe, and everything.
I know the commercials are popular (I can't stand them btw), but seriously. "Wow! A tv show about a sarcastic caveman who gets annoyed at being belittled all the time. Hilarious!" This is like having a tv show about the Budweiser frogs or the wazzup guys.
morgan, i can't get my girlfriend to sit through the old BBC version of Hitchhiker's. but we both like the books and the new movie.
as terrible as it will be, i can't imagine that "Everybody Loves Caveman" will be any worse than most of the gawdawful sitcoms out there now.
Palmer - and what was the question.....?
Deep Thought: You're really not going to like it.
Lunkwill: Tell us.
Deep Thought: The answer to the Great Question...
Lunkwill: Yes?
Deep Thought: ...of life, the universe, and everything...
Lunkwill: Yes?
Deep Thought: ...is...
Fook: Yes?
Deep Thought: ...is...
Lunkwill: Yes?
Fook: Yes?
Deep Thought: Forty-two.
(stunned silence)
Lunkwill: Forty-two?
Fook: Forty-two?
Deep Thought: It was a tough assignment.
MB - when Mikhail came back last week with information about Naomi he wanted to attack the Losties immediately. Ben would have done so if Locke hadn't got in the way.
As the other English 'rep' as mb has taken to calling us - i thought it particularly funny that Butlins was mentioned, and Clitheroe, and as an Englishman, i can find it funny. Nobody else can. Unless you've spent a week at Butlins with your mum and your nan - what a strange up-bringing i had.
You ever been Elias? You seem like the sort of person who would go to Center Parcs....
you got me sussed Tim.
I've never been to Butlins but I've been to Centre Parcs. We used to rent some cabins in my uni days. I'll only say that some unspeakable things happened in Sherwood Forest.
The thought of Butlins' nobbly knee competitions and Bernard Manning always put me off. :)
i remember visiting England and seeing the Teletubbies on the TV before anyone in the US had ever heard of them.
"thank god that nothing like that would ever get popular in the US" i said not knowing that i had doomed my country to years upon years of tinky winky.
Morgan, your point about Goofy is the funniest thing I've read all day. I wonder if, when he's all alone, he eats his dinner out of a bowl on the floor.
I've already apologised for Simon Cowell, so I might as well apologise for the teletubbies too. :)
Palmer, I've only read the first book of Hitchhiker's and saw the movie that came out a few years ago. I'm determined to watch the old BBC show during the hiatus. I've got a ton of stuff lined up for the hiatus.
Goofy prolly shits on Mickey's lawn in the middle of the night when they argue.
I bet when Goofy gets out of line, Mickey looks over at the leash, just to remind Goofy that he can get the Pluto treatment too.
Elias - good point re: Mikhail - I had forgotten that he comes back and is so urgent about it.
morgan, the BBC mini is sort of like a radio show with video (since it was adapted from a radio show). it's very plodding and methodical. the actors, special effects, and props are ridiculous looking but if you can muscle through it, the dialogue is very clever and entertaining.
here's hoping that Kim swoops in on her helicopter and kablamos this thread at the appropriate post number.
Palmer, I started watching it once but I just couldn't get into it. I promise I'm going to get through it this summer--even if it kills me.
Somehow - I have an image of Kim w/an AK-47 in the helicopter, swooping into KABLAMMO....yeah - she works as an action hero I think
Morgan - kudos to you for watching the old BBC series - but the books are really the best. Make you laugh out loud.
KABLAMMY!
Trevor nails it (hasta la vista baby)
Way back up there somewhere Elias mentioned that Mikhail wanted to storm the beach last week, but Locke got in the way. But when Ben sends Pryce, the new Pickett out, he doesn't mention look for the sat phone or anything like that. Do you think Patchy will go on that mission on his own?
Holli
So, predictions for the season finale? Upon listening to J&J's podcast this morning, Jack mentioned there'd be a traitor in the camp, & that's why Ben was rushing the attack. I say Kate. I don't suspect of Naomi at all. Juliet is the obvious second choice, if at all.
Jack is suspect. Also Bernard ;)
Hey Elias, do you watch Lost this coming sunday night? And if so, don't we ruin the episodes for you? lol
I'll answer that one cryptically Pablo - I watch it Thursday afternoon via a magic box ;)
and I don't do spoilers so I have to read 300 posts after I've seen it.
Nice man, I'm spoiler free also. Feels great doesn't it?!
I'm flying tomorrow and I'm trying to avoid checking luggage so I checked the TSA website and learned: Gel-filled bras may be worn through security screening and aboard aircraft. I guess this will the next terrorist idea.
I also learned you can bring Personal lubricants - You are allowed to carry up to 3 oz., of eye drops in a clear, one-quart plastic bag. I didn't think you put personal lubricants in your eyes.
More good news for Ralph, you can carry on Toy Transformer Robots, but you can't carry on a Cricket bat, Spear gun or Throwing stars. And this is tragic: Snow globes and like decorations regardless of size or amount of liquid inside, even with documentation.
Holli
pablo - I was a spoiler fiend in Season 2 and it ruined it for me.
Season 3 episodes are every week so I really can't see the point of looking at spoilers unless you have to record a spoiler segment, natch.
of course when this season ends I'll be hunting them down to fix my Lost withdrawal but I say that's fair game.
Dang... I wasn't flying today, I should have KABLAMO'd earlier :(
I'd like to see Jim/Pam get their shit together, I wouldn't be apposed to Jim/Karen (Jiren). Either gal would be lucky ;)
lol elias
Oh I see, me, myself I've never liked them, they ruin all the fun, on or offseason. I like my lost like my sex, spontaneous. If that makes any sense.
I've got to say, I'm totally lost during the Office/Heroes talk (no pun)
Am I wierd because I only watch 1 show? that 1 show being the greatest of all TIME?!?!?! seriously I only have enough love in my heart for 1 show. in the offseason I will be purchasing Sopranos season 1 (yes, I'm late)
Jam & Jaren/Jiren, Pim & Kim - I think I like Jiren
holli, fantastic post. glad to know that my toy robot that turns into a gel filled bra is fit for carry-on.
by the way, aren't gel filled bras false advertising?
i say Jim Halpert should try for a "Second Tour of Finland" with Pam and Karen.
and no, Jim shouldn't really. but it's a great euphemism.
MB - that one was for you. I'll join you in the offseason.
Pablo - check out 1 episode of both Heroes and the Office. they're both worth at least casual viewing. The Office is steadily surpassing the english version.
I like my sex like my Lost - once a week at a set time ;)
False advertisement indeed. but i'm not judging ...
or 16 times a year for the next 3 years
Re: spoilers (must speak as I am responsible for spoiling people), I think it's just a different way of watching the show. Personally, spoilers do not make watching any less enjoyable for me - and frankly they sometimes even help me process the complexity which is Lost. They don't spoil my experience mainly because, with the exception of REALLY detailed spoilers, they don't really express the drama that you experience when it happens. For example - I knew Naomi the parachutist was coming, but the fact that there was a parachutist doesn't tell you how the characters are going to react, or what emotional themes are going to be played up as a result of her arrival - you can guess, but spoilers are generally just factoids in a vacuum. Once I knew she was coming - it freed my brain up from the suprise so that when I watched it, I could focus on other stuff. And the fact that I usually only have time to watch an episode once, means that the foreknowledge really helps me get more out of one viewing. Anyway - more info than anyone was asking for - but I was trying to think "why DO I enjoy spoilers?"
lol Elias re: lost/sex
I've seen aproximately 2 episodes of the office. When "Earl" debuted I really wanted to get into it, and subsequently caught Office also, I liked, just don't have the devotion for it. I'd definitely watch the seasons on dvd though. I'll probably catch heroes on dvd too, I just the you guys' (and gals') recomendations based on your excellent choice of Lost.
MB - I totally see what your saying, especially because I have the luxury of watching an episode again on friday night. Kudos.
re: lost/sex
when it's the off season, you can tide yourself over with DVDs.
pablo-
if you like LOST then you're gonna like HEROES. they're somewhat similar.
Lost Sex sounds like a porno spinoff - what were everyone's porno names (besides Kim/Muffin - who could possibly forget that name)
Pablo - I too am planning a summer Heroes viewing
re: lost/ sex
nothing to add but I like that post title.
MB, I used to be into spoilers during season 2 and most of season 3, but after awhile I got tired of not being surprised. The last spoilers I heard were for "The Man from Tallahassee" and it completely ruined the episode for me. So I only listen to the beginning of your segment before you get really into it.
ok, heroe/office/sopranos it is then.
i gotta catch up on the office, too. i've never sat through a whole season.
Morgan - thanks for listening to ANY of it. I don't even know what the hell I'm saying half the time (must sleep more) :)
I like being surprised by the twists and reveals in Lost so I much prefer coming into a new episode with no idea of what's coming.
Hiatus spoilers are different because there's so long to wait. Obviously I'll try to avoid complete rundowns of episodes though.
Also, more foilers are needed to confuse us if any information leaks.
Ok - it looks like we may make 108 in under 4 hours - is that a record or anything? Probably not - but I never timed it before, wow.
heroes/office/sopranos is a great prospect if you haven't seen them all. I wish I could get selective amnesia so I could watch them all again for the first time.
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I hope this link works, I've been peeing myself laughing
Yes elias - I for one find foilers enjoyable - while I like knowing the spoilers - a suprise is always fun.
105....
kim - change your pants
kim, you DO hate babies. ;)
pre KABLAMO for the baby!
kablamo!
oh wow - that is BRUTAL!!! LOL - I could laugh once I read that the kid was fine. wow - LMAO, that's out of a cartoon or something
Ouch
i like that the parents let a baby walk into a breakdancing floor. that's parent of the year material. let's feed the kids some paint chips and have her sleep in a drawer while we're at it.
I shouldn't be laughing, but it's the slow motion replays that kill me.
Elias, First American football. Now saying that the American Office is surpassing the original? Wow. You truly are one of us. lol
Regarding The Office. Before they made the US adaptation, I was a HUGE fan of the original. I owned the entire series. I was terrified and annoyed when I heard that they were going to do an American version. I mean, just look at the history of British sitcoms murdered in America. But I was happy to see that they did a good job. The first season was a bit of a learning experience for the writers and cast. But things really picked up and took off in season two. I recently went back and watched the original. It's really quite amazing how different the two shows are now.
HOLY SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT poor baby
omg
lmao @ the song in the back though, I was just loading that into my niece, Jessica's shuffle, what a small world. Coincidence or lost flashback moment?!??!!
i saw the breakdancing video at lunch the other day on the news while eating a sandwich. the newscaster goes "Now, watch this!" and they play the video without explanation and then go to commercial. everyone in the sandwich shop was like "WTF?!"
good times. breakdancing is so fun that you'll kick a baby right in the face.
Hopefully someday I will finally watch the original Office
in the breakdancer's defense, that baby was talking shit the whole night. ;)
Holy crap Kim. You are pure evil. lol.
I wouldn't have believed that was real if not for the reaction shots and the mom running out. That was brutal.
LMF ASS OFF Palmer - that wins the thread for me
Jordan - I agree with your review of The Offices entirely. both very different. both classic.
I needed a good old baby kicking every once in an awhile
Like the Matrix. But funny.
I am terrible...
I love anything related to Ricky Gervais too bad the UK one ended when it did.
Love the glasses, Kim.
The video reminds of the old Monty Python skit "Boot to the Head". Did anyone else ever see that one?
'If you want the rainbow, you've gotta put up with the rain.' Do you know which "philosopher" said that? Dolly Parton. And people say she's just a big pair of tits.
Classic Brent.
Extras is great too. Gervais is hilarious.
I'm sure the UK guys can comment further. But I think it's pretty common over there for tv shows to only last a couple seasons. Add to that how short their seasons are and you have very short series.
Damn that poor kid! I laughed too, but only on the slo-mo part.
Jordan - I think Gervais would agree that we're just lazy.
He also wanted to emulate Fawlty Towers which only ran for 12 episodes in total. And that was arguably the greatest British sitcom ever.
I only recently found out that Faulty Towers only had 12 episodes. I was amazed. Because as a kid I remember it playing on PBS all the damn time.
Speaking of UK golden tv hits. I heard that they are making another Mr. Bean movie.
If I have to power to say who wins the thread, I say Elias!
The reason for my absence today has to do with that magic box to which you were referring earlier. It made my brand-spanking new computer sick. Or it allowed it to be.
Pablo, DVD is a fantastic way to watch The Office. My coworker, who is not a tv watcher, completely enjoyed watching me enjoy the DVDs she gave to me for Christmas. I plan to catch up on the British version, one day.
The kid that was kicked parents should be kicked.
that's sweet Steph - I was waiting for someone to say that before I go to bed (!)
feel free to myspace me if you think I can help with any technical issues.
Goodnight all.
going to bed?
oh that's right i forget you're on the other side of the world. i'm here about to leave work. i hope everyone enjoys the office finale tonight.
later-
Goodnight.
Looking forward to those seasons, when will the heroes season be available though? sometime in september?
Yeah, Ally, I just got home from work, it feels SOOOO good to be home. Pizza for dinner =)
Well, looks like it's time for me to check out. I'll have to stay away as your right-enders are getting into Office time. Enjoy guys. Smell ya later.
Pablo -
not positive, but I thought Heroes DVDs were going to be available before August. I had read about an August release date, and then Greg Grunberg said in some interview that it was going to be sooner. But there are people her much more in the know I'm sure.
i got well excited after watching the episode first... i thought the blonde lady in the Looking Glass was Colleen who Sun bumped off aaaaaaages ago.
but on second look, i see that it's not.. :(
Hour Long Office and Scrubs...start now :)
In other news. I got my Certification to teach high school today. WOOHOO been trying since i graduated. I might get a real job now!! woohoo. Sorry i am uber excited.
Chambers, aren't you a little young to be snogging with girls?
Thanks, MB
Anon - i'm not young! I am well old! I am like 19 years old... Ooh. someone get my zimmer frame...
actually she's just my friend... i have standards you see...
19? no way. you look closer to 12 in that picture. good to have standards though.
do i? maybe it's because it's all thumbnailed up... i am always told i look younger than i do... meh.
yes, it is good to have standards.. she doesn't fit them because she's a girl... otherwise, i well would...
ahem.
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What a great episode of The Office! YEH Pam and Jim!!
OMG Ryan!
the Office was great. can we start talking all spoiler-like about it? cuz it was quite the quotable episode.
I am about to have a panic attack over all this good tv! Why can't they spread out this goodness over the course of several weeks instead of bombarding us with it all at once? Crap, no matter how good Lost is next week, it can't be as satifying as Jim and Pam. I am in shock!! Hubby called me retarded for shedding tears over it.
How stupid does John Krasinski's new movie look? Very!
Why won't blogger take my new pic?
ok, i know i asked (in this thread?) for Jim to cut his hair but can he grow it back? his new hair is even stranger.
of course, this is from the guy who cuts his hair to an eighth of an inch. :)
Palmer, the writers must have heard you.
i'll have to be careful what i ask for! and, no, it wasn't me who asked for Jan's new additions.
"Tell her: I want to squeeze them. It's a code. She'll understand."
Finally had a chance to read through all the posts. Wow! Great comments from everyone. I'm in the "very good episode" camp. Nice emotional buildup for the finale.
mb - I'm with you on the spoilers. Look forward to your segment on TLI each week. Thanks for all your work on that.
Here we go.
Well, not to be too forward, but, pretty hair.
I'm going to start offering Holli half-dollars as a motivational tool. I'm awarding 3 tonight to Elias for equating his sex life to LOST. The exchange rate to Shrute Bucks is the same as that of the Stanley Nickle.
So where on the internet can I get my own Shrute bucks? Surely it's out there.
Holli
Thanks, Pablo. It's my homage to the two Peter's Emo hair: Parker and Petrelli
lol, cool steph.
Why can't I stop listening to The Shins' "New Slang"? I'd venture to say I'm still depressed from that charlie episode. That shit really got to me, I couldn't sleep last night.
I havn't really heard anyone mention it yet, maybe because it goes without saying BUT, Charlie and the gang's acting last night was PHENOMENAL, you guys see charlie almost break down right before he jumped into the ocean?
And the scene with Hugo? it honestly felt like it transcended the show, like they were really saying goodbye as friends.
anyone else catch the recap show?
If you haven't seen The Office skip this post....
Was I the only one who found the Jim/Pam reveal anti-climatic? Poor Karen. No job. No Jim. :(
I watched the re-cap show. It was what I expected
Damn, nothing like coming back to the blogspot after a day and finding 300+ new posts. Impressive.
I totally enjoyed The Office tonight, but I thought Jim would go Takezo Kensei and rip out his own heart so that Karen would take the job, and he could die in Pam's arms in Scranton.
And speaking of Heroes and The Office, too bad that Linderman is too dead to heal Jenna FIscher's back. Get well soon, Pammy.
And I totally welled up more when Charlie was talking to Claire than when he said goodbye to Hurley. After all, Charlie has no chance at banging Hurley, so there's no mystery there. But to my knowledge, he hasn't taken a roll in the sand with Claire yet, so I got all sad when he might not ever get a chance to.
And Aimee, do you want a hint as to who's behind the Boner? Or have you remembered yet?
WB
the recap's today? Is it worth going out of my way for? Currently enjoying Four Rooms.....
kim, did you like Jim's hair?
the recap show was a recap show. but it was interesting to see who they focused on.
no Michael. LOTS of Locke. lots of Ben, Sawyer, Kate, Jack, Charlie, and... Dr. Eyeliner.
interesting...
You can catch the re-cap again next week before the finale on Wednesday
the recap show is mainly to get you caught up and psych you up for the finale.
it's nothing spectacular. but better than a sharp stick in the eye.
Jim's hair was a little too feathered on the top. It could have been a bit shorter...
good girl, kim. i thought it was pretty crazy looking. sort of like Ken from Barbie or Johnny Neutron or something.
oh, and speaking of hair, i still think Kim and Aimee both have cool hair. and i cracked up reading Steph's Emo-Petrelli hair comment.
geez iv'e just watched lost in australia and now i have 401 posts to read through.
Awesome Office. I knew that Karen wasn't getting the job because she's leaving the show. Rashida Jones who plays her is starring in a sitcom on Fox next year. I loved the Ryan reveal at the end. Didn't see that coming. I may just be a easy mark, but Pam has been so cute the past few ep's. I love Jenna Fischer. And yeah, Jim's haircut looked pretty lame. Same haircut he has in that crappy looking movie he's in with Robin Williams and Mandy Moore. So much goodness in this ep. Can't think of it all. Let me preface this comment by saying that I'm not usually a huge "boob man". But I found Jan's "enhancement" to be oh so hot. Damn. I really hope she's still on the show next season. ;)
I loved The Office, but I was bothered by Jan's sudden craziness. It seems to come out of nowhere. Very uncharacteristic of her. I agree with Kim: the Pam/Jim thing was anticlimactic. So what's up with Karen? She didn't get the job, so she'll still be in Scranton until Jim breaks her heart and she leaves. And Ryan's finally getting away from Kelly! What a surprise!
is it true pam is paralized
Elias - you should be up now. re: Center Parcs, i have a couple of mates who went there a good few years back - the East Anglia one i think. Anyway, bored and stoned one night, they changed the 'Center Parcs' on the duvet cover, with a fat permanent pen, to Cunty Prics. Which i, for one, thought was genius.
Holy lostmania, Batman! What a great episode it was once again. The final is gonna blow my mind and then mash it up, add some pice and cook it up nice! I'm sure.
Also, I agree with the screenshot, but I think Charlie was able to swim all the time. He just said "I.. I can't swim" in one of those early episodes, cause I think he was a cowardly drug addict back then. I'm gonna go out on a limb and generalize and say, them addics don't tend to be very... what's the word describing "love thy neighbour"? :)
Long story short: Sayer will adress Charlie about it and we'll get a throw away line like:" man, i was a sodding addict back then; saving drowning blokes wasn't my first concern."
Or someting.
greeeetz
Wesh, Charlie actually said back in White Rabbit "I DON'T swim," not I can't swim, but there was still a WTF quality to Charlie's swimming all of a sudden.
I didn't watch the clip show yet. I probably won't until Monday pm at the earliest, but wait there's Heroes then, so Tuesday.
Good hair tribute Steph. And Kim your baby video was truly wrong and truly hilarious. You both are awarded 2 Holli Half-dollars. Are Holli Half-dollars the unicorns are leprechans in the exchange rate equation?
As for the Jam stuff, it was kind of anti-climactic, but I liked it that way. I wonder what happened when Karen found out her ass had been left in NYC. I guess she'll just be staying there. And the Ryan twist at the end was great. I can't wait to see Ryan be Michael's boss.
Holli
Because I didn't expect Jam to happen, it was a total surprise. I loved it!!
I'll probably see that horrible looking movie with Robin Williams anyways.
I think it showed just how determined Charlie was to get Claire and Aaron rescued, he swam even though he doesn't know how or feel comfortable in the water.
Pam is not paralyzed. but she did break her back. 4 bones. ouch! she'll supposedly be fine though. just gotta sit around and wait for her back bones to mend. poor lady!
holli, i found myself marveling at all sorts of asshole moments during the office. pam's "i hope you get the job" to karen was one moment. "hope you get the job so you leave and i can smooch your boyfriend." and jim's leaving karen behind to ask out pam was another asshole thing to do. i was expecting Jim to throw the interview so Karen would get the job so he could date Pam.
and Jan's being somewhat crazy has been known for awhile, poster above who didn't see it coming. she's dating michael. that's clue number one. she does career destructing stuff (like dating michael). she video tapes her "sessions" with michael for her therapist to watch... that's some f--ked up shit.
oh, re: Charlie Swimming
it's not that big a deal that some guy who doesn't like to swim or is not good at swimming actually swam. i think i heard someone on the interwebs or a podcast call in theorize that charlie's swimming must be a product of an alternate timeline thanks to desmond. yeesh! the dude just manned up and swam.
Hey Kim and Aimee, im Gavin from England whooooo any way just wanted to say that this was an amazing episode and cant wait for next weeks finale. Will he die or wont he hmmm that is the question any way post again soon. Your podcast is amazing by the way.
welcome, gavin.
boy, what are we going to have for a name generator for next week?
palmer, I heard that theory too about alternate timelines, and it drives me crazy. Because if they use 'Desmond changed the timeline' as an explanation for why Charlie can swim now, then they can start using that for any inconsistency in the show ... and if that's the case, then I think we really can officially say that the show will have jumped the shark, because it will mean that everything that we've seen might not have any meaning anymore.
I agree that there's a much simpler explanation ... we know that Charlie wasn't being honest when he told Jack that he was a champion swimmer, he was just saying that so that he could do the mission. We also know that Dez had to rescue Claire that one time, because Charlie would have drowned if he had done it. So Charlie is probably just an average or below average swimmer, who knew that he wasn't strong enough to swim out and save Boone & that chick during season 1, and didn't want to admit it. Throw in the fact that he was either high or in withdrawal, and a little white lie seems pretty plausible.
trevor, right on. even if i sucked at swimming (i'm really only mostly poor at swimming), i'd swim down to that hatch to save Claire.
ga-row!
I much prefer the manning up explanation for Charlie's swimming to alternate timelines. It's also a good thing he has threesome experience heading into next week.
I don't know about generators for next week. We can all fight about who is Tweedledee and who is Tweedledum. They came from "Through the Looking Glass." Humpty Dumpty is in it too. Any ideas will be welcome since I won't have all weekend to sit here and look.
Hope everyone has a good one. I'll be back Tuesday and looking forward to all the Dharmalar and TLI goodness that will be waiting for my iPod.
Holli
hey, holli. have fun on your trip. hope it's for fun and not out of necessity. i also hope that you're going some place phenomenally interesting.
To be fair Charlie didnt do alot of swimming anyway the weight belt pulls him down then it was only 20 yards to the entrance. Even if i couldnt swim im shore i could manage 20 yards to save 40 or so people or how ever many ar left
Plus, maybe he learned how to swim during his island time ... gotta do something to pass the time on Mystery Island.
Vincent taught him the doggy paddle.
were is vincent anyway we havent seen him in a while (i dont think anyway). Hurley said he was a good paddler maybe vincent taught him
-we did get a shot of Vincent on the leash with Hurley last episode
-i agree with everyone that Charlie swimming was just a man-up situation. my only problem with that is that Charlie was swimming fully clothed. I had to swim fully clothed to get certified as a lifeguard and it is extremely hard. Your pants become their own weight belt really quickly. But, Like Handsome Jack said, that's just the way they swim on that island.
-Also, showing him learning to swim at a young age further confused the issue.
andrew.
After some crazy technical error, Jimmy's episode is now available on iTunes!
ralph-
i was reading something the other day that said cusealoff have known what has been happening since the begin and already know why everything is happening and when we know what the island is all the little mysteries will make sense like the bodys in the caves. maybe charlie saying he couldnt swim was just anouther point that wont make sense until the end or whenever. it cant be a mistake because they have got smaller details than that right. it has to have something to do with desmonds time travel.
Jellyman - really busy day at work and it aint over yet.
CenterParcs pranks are obligatory. We're not allowed to go back.
Gavin, don't go there. If it's time travel, then they're basically saying that they can change anything that's already happened in the show anytime that they want. Talk about a way to rend meaningless everything that we've seen...
Her representative tells the New York Daily News, "She avoided anything scary near the spine and she'll make a full recovery in time to shoot season four of The Office this summer."
I have to say they would really be jumping the shark but thats what everythings been pointing to. o well ill guess we'll know by 2010 lol. ........ Just for the record im against the time travel thing.
I think people are making too big a deal outta the Charlie swimming thing. How was what he did so amazing? He was holding a weight belt and simply swam down. Adrenaline makes people do crazy things, like mothers lifting cars to save their babies. I don't understand why people can't just accept things as Charlie really stepped up for Claire. Where exactly alternate timelines and shark jumping comes to play, I don't get it.
After seeing the promo for next week, it looks like Charlie goes from the good kind of threesome to the bad kind.
new thread dudes
Checked Lostpedia on Charlie's line in White Rabbit. He said "I don't swim."
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/White_Rabbit_transcript
I take that to mean he won't - maybe because of the drug stuff already mentioned or some other bad experience we didn't see - not that he can't. So, I don't see it as such a big deal, especially because he sank his way down and didn't have to do much swimming. If nothing else the man-up explanation works for me.
Did anyone else chuckle when Rose said that Bernard should get into something dark?
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