tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post6539454935725524384..comments2023-10-31T04:56:22.797-07:00Comments on Scott and Steve: Make Your Own Kind of Music: (NO SPOILERS) Pre-Episode discussion: The Little PrinceScott and Stevehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02062186032353647226noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-35859750948730474402009-02-04T17:51:00.000-08:002009-02-04T17:51:00.000-08:00MB, I was not kidding about Jacob because I expect...MB, I was not kidding about Jacob because I expect it to be a major disappointment/new point of confusion. Jimmy, you missed Sarah Shahi because she's just a small town Texas girl. They all look like her down here. :) :)<BR/><BR/>RobertRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03896416531976268677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-24160182050567923922009-02-04T17:01:00.000-08:002009-02-04T17:01:00.000-08:00- Maybe dumbhanced "Jughead" will explain all of t...- Maybe dumbhanced "Jughead" will explain all of this time pardox stuff.andrew.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05738782280774720260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-68785253744809561542009-02-04T16:57:00.000-08:002009-02-04T16:57:00.000-08:00- i was really distracted by an aged Professor Jer...- i was really distracted by an aged Professor Jerry Hathaway (William Atherton) but i did notice Sarah Shahi.andrew.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05738782280774720260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-67710814485138346712009-02-04T16:15:00.000-08:002009-02-04T16:15:00.000-08:00For some excellent Sarah Shahi go to 1:40 into thi...For some excellent Sarah Shahi go to <A HREF="http://www.hulu.com/watch/47297/life-eviland-his-brother-ziggy#s-p1-so-i0" REL="nofollow">1:40 into this episode.</A> <BR/><BR/>Hollimemphishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11135806668363907263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-36100393388079192832009-02-04T16:04:00.000-08:002009-02-04T16:04:00.000-08:00My biggest concern at present is how the fuck did ...My biggest concern at present is how the fuck did I miss Sarah Shahi<BR/>:PJimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17184609249006486690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-78141364280914353942009-02-04T15:48:00.000-08:002009-02-04T15:48:00.000-08:005.5 hours until LostI need West-East coast telepor...5.5 hours until Lost<BR/><BR/>I need West-East coast teleportationmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00818283826571948297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-28914014371154157962009-02-04T14:51:00.000-08:002009-02-04T14:51:00.000-08:00oh. and i prefer "logic dictates" you can't screw...oh. and i prefer "logic dictates" you can't screw up the time with your time-fuckery as opposed to "the universe course corrects" but i can't argue with the LOST writers.<BR/><BR/>or they'd sic Smokey on me.<BR/><BR/>enjoy LOST, everybody. have fun!PalmerEldritchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12315511118300473440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-40510445401194644612009-02-04T14:50:00.000-08:002009-02-04T14:50:00.000-08:00"So when Tom visited Micheal off Island...he must ..."So when Tom visited Micheal off Island...he must have known the future. Because he was aware that Micheal couldn't kill himself. "Did the gun jam or did the bullet bounce off your head"."<BR/><BR/>ack. that's definitely possible. ack.<BR/><BR/>but it could also just be "the magic" of the Island that was keeping Michael around so that he could die on the freighter and make Christian Shephard (and Jacob?) happy. or something.<BR/><BR/>but why would Jacob want everyone off the freighter? ack!!!<BR/><BR/>enjoy LOST tonight. it's a great excuse to overeat and hang out with good friends. it's also a great excuse to watch a damned fun show.<BR/><BR/>robert, anna torv apparently just married the guy who played (plays?) John Scott on Fringe. i realize he's a good looking guy but he's 45 and she's a good looking 30 year old woman. that dude is a hero.PalmerEldritchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12315511118300473440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-78001519655112859802009-02-04T14:42:00.000-08:002009-02-04T14:42:00.000-08:00I agree Jimmy.What I wonder, is if there is someth...I agree Jimmy.<BR/><BR/>What I wonder, is if there is something that could happen that the universe COULDN'T coruse correct for. Something too f-ed up. Is that what Hawking means when she says "God help us all" if Ben can't get the O6 back to the island?mbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00818283826571948297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-43383874016170863972009-02-04T14:40:00.000-08:002009-02-04T14:40:00.000-08:00quoting myself to make a correction:"I think most ...quoting myself to make a correction:<BR/><I>"I think most small, inconsequential day-to day events can play out in a number of ways because they aren't crucial events in the timeline"</I><BR/><BR/>Now I'm thinking this is wrong - did Ms. Hawking say that the universe course corrects for EVERYTHING?mbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00818283826571948297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-91551965384549555052009-02-04T14:39:00.000-08:002009-02-04T14:39:00.000-08:00So when Tom visited Micheal off Island...he must h...So when Tom visited Micheal off Island...he must have known the future. Because he was aware that Micheal couldn't kill himself. "Did the gun jam or did the bullet bounce off your head". They knew he would die on the freighter at a later date...and gave him the task, knowing the outcome.<BR/><BR/>Like I've been saying a while. Ben knows how all this turns out anyway... he's busy working really hard to make sure the outcome is what it is meant to be. <BR/><BR/>???Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17184609249006486690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-81533498661046122992009-02-04T14:34:00.000-08:002009-02-04T14:34:00.000-08:00Oh, and Robert - were you f-ing around when you as...Oh, and Robert - were you f-ing around when you asked about Jacob earlier? I am actually TOTALLY waiting to find out.mbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00818283826571948297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-51355579418427724472009-02-04T14:32:00.000-08:002009-02-04T14:32:00.000-08:00Alright - in the time it took me to think out this...Alright - in the time it took me to think out this post, 2-3 other answers (plus response from Andrew) were already posted, but just because I can't shut-up about this time crap - allow me to add my 2-cents anyway<BR/><BR/>The way I am thinking about "the timeline" and all the time-travelling events unfolding on Lost (and I THINK this is what TPTB intended - not 100% sure), is kind of like they describe the entire narrative of the show - a puzzle where we are seeing a different piece at a time - which requires thinking of time (or the "timeline") as a pre-supposed WHOLE (mostly) - past, present and future all included. Watching them go back to 1954 means that we are seeing another piece of "the timeline", and watching Frogurt get killed is another piece. <BR/><BR/>I think most small, inconsequential day-to day events can play out in a number of ways because they aren't crucial events in the timeline, but something like Jughead exploding or Sawyer meeting Desmond can affect the timeline in such major ways that the universe, as Hawking said, course corrects in response to any attempt to change them. <BR/><BR/>re: Andrew's questions - <BR/><BR/><I>"- i just don't understand Faraday's argument that Jughead won't explode because the island is fine in 2004 but at the same time Frogurt & co. aren't dead in 2004 either."</I><BR/><BR/>Frogurt's personal timeline goes like this:<BR/>BORN --> LIVES --> GOES TO ISLAND --> TRAVELS BACK TO 1954 --> DIES<BR/><BR/>Jughead's timeline is:<BR/>ASSEMBLED BY HOT SWING SHIFT WOMEN WHILE HUSBANDS ARE IN THE ARMY ---> TAKEN TO ISLAND ---> HUNG FROM RICKETY-ASS TOWER ---> BURIED ON ISLAND (WE ASSUME)<BR/><BR/>Travelling to 1954 is part of Frogurts personal timeline/life, EXPLODING is not part of Jughead's (now, if Faraday had f*cked with Jughead and either made it explode or affected it in some way - the timeline would have severely changed and I would be calling shenanigans)<BR/><BR/><I>"- i also don't understand why it's not okay for Sawyer to meet Desmond in 2001 but it's perfectly okay for everyone to meet Widmore in 1954."</I><BR/><BR/>Locke & co. meeting Widmore is apparently already a crucial piece of the timeline as a whole and Sawyer meeting Desmond is not (thus the universe will ensure it doesn't happen).<BR/><BR/>Many more pieces of the puzzle yet to comembhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00818283826571948297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-66450735603913315272009-02-04T14:15:00.000-08:002009-02-04T14:15:00.000-08:00Isn't "mousy" just a spot on description of the yo...Isn't "mousy" just a spot on description of the young Ms. Hawking that Palmer uses as his avatar? Seriously, she could pass as a frickin' mouse.<BR/><BR/>RobertRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03896416531976268677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-27770379681315408102009-02-04T14:02:00.000-08:002009-02-04T14:02:00.000-08:00You guys are giving me a headache. Let's play easy...You guys are giving me a headache. Let's play easy questions like why Hollywood can't find American actors/actresses to play American parts? (See almost every good show on TV, Life, Chuck, Fringe, and on and on)<BR/><BR/>No time travel RobertRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03896416531976268677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-2139025985614209792009-02-04T13:54:00.000-08:002009-02-04T13:54:00.000-08:00also, i really like the term "time-fuckery."also, i really like the term "time-fuckery."PalmerEldritchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12315511118300473440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-75327938494966014502009-02-04T13:48:00.000-08:002009-02-04T13:48:00.000-08:00- Palmer, i get what you're saying. Interesting. I...- Palmer, i get what you're saying. Interesting. I guess if you tried to shoot Widmore the gun would jam or the bullet would bounce off of his skull. The losties shouldn't have to worry about running into themselves either, even without trying.andrew.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05738782280774720260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-69166109573399790502009-02-04T13:44:00.000-08:002009-02-04T13:44:00.000-08:00Have the writers forgotten the story line about th...Have the writers forgotten the story line about the little kids from flight 815?<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/Emma" REL="nofollow">Emma</A> and <A HREF="http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/Zack" REL="nofollow">Zack</A><BR/><BR/>It seems that in my memory there was a big "Why are the others taking the kids" mystery involved in earlier seasons.<BR/> I don't really have a theory about it but I'm just curious to see what you guys think.<BR/><BR/>Kids=Time hopping with the 815ers<BR/>or<BR/>Kids=Back in the real world off island.<BR/>or<BR/>Kids=Story got too diluted to continue with.<BR/>or <BR/>Kids=Raised in the wild by polar bear family.<BR/><BR/>Pick oneMr. Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17191550130621171639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-45060887304189066842009-02-04T13:41:00.000-08:002009-02-04T13:41:00.000-08:00Frogurt can be born in the sixties, live until 200...Frogurt can be born in the sixties, live until 2004/5, go back in time to 1954 and die and it's fine - that's what his life was. Him reaching the end of his life in his 30s/40s will not affect his birth.<BR/><BR/>It's different to Jughead because Jughead was already there in 1954, it hasn't come in with them. It won't explode between 1954 and 2004 because it hasn't. Okay, so the entire population hasn't died of radiation poisoning either which indicates that they do eventually neutralize it somehow (possibly underground).<BR/><BR/>HOWEVER - this doesn't mean that Jughead still couldn't go off. If someone digs it up after the events of the Donkey Wheel and the Exploding Freighter then, if it's still viable, they could still explode the bomb. All Faraday knows is that come 2004 the Island hasn't had a gigantic nuclear explosion.<BR/><BR/>Jughead could be buried, or it could even have been removed from the island, but it certainly hasn't gone off.<BR/><BR/>Trying to explain how those things aren't anything like each other is difficult - I'm not sure I managed it.Chris JChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06645022459110677140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-61910819671277333842009-02-04T13:27:00.000-08:002009-02-04T13:27:00.000-08:00however, interestingly, time-hopping Sawyer could ...however, interestingly, time-hopping Sawyer could totally run into non-hopping Kate and just pretend that he was non-hopping Sawyer going off to take a piss in the woods. cuz there's nothing, that we know of, to say that Kate didn't run into Sawyer once in the woods and he had to go take a piss.<BR/><BR/>time travel is fun!PalmerEldritchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12315511118300473440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-45523292208918733552009-02-04T13:26:00.000-08:002009-02-04T13:26:00.000-08:00cuz Desmond didn't go "oh, hey. sawyer? yeah, yo...cuz Desmond didn't go "oh, hey. sawyer? yeah, you came in and borrowed a shirt and lived in the hatch for a few days" when he met everyone in 2004.<BR/><BR/><BR/>the desmond thing is a REALLY bad example though. cuz he's magic.<BR/><BR/>so, Dan, who Desmond never met and only talked to on the phone once in the present (Dec 24th, 2004) even though it was really Desmond's consciousness from 1996, could logically talk to Dan in the years between 1996 and 2003 and just not recognize his voice from the phone call in 2004 with Desmond's consciousness from 1996.<BR/><BR/>or something. like i said, Desmond is both magic and a REALLY bad example.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>the idea being that Desmond DIDN'T meet Sawyer and give him a shirt. so, when Sawyer is back in time, he can't get a shirt from Desmond.<BR/><BR/>If Sawyer borrows Desmond's shirt in the past, then Desmond would recognize Sawyer when they met in 2004. Desmond did not recognize Sawyer when they met in 2004, therefore Sawyer didn't borrow Desmond's shirt in the past.<BR/><BR/>a better example would be time-hopping Sawyer can't run onto the beach and introduce himself in the middle of Jack's big beach speech. because if he had, then we'd've seen it in that episode. :)PalmerEldritchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12315511118300473440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-42222616291180429532009-02-04T13:13:00.000-08:002009-02-04T13:13:00.000-08:00"And now for something completely different, I wil..."And now for something completely different, I will list my 5 hottest females currently on TV shows that I watch. :)"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.<BR/><BR/>/simpsons referencePalmerEldritchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12315511118300473440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-79633414543381406842009-02-04T13:10:00.000-08:002009-02-04T13:10:00.000-08:00Wait, then why can't Sawyer meet Desmond at the Sw...Wait, then why can't Sawyer meet Desmond at the Swan? That's what I don't get.<BR/><BR/>Hollimemphishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11135806668363907263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-53719124644504459282009-02-04T13:04:00.000-08:002009-02-04T13:04:00.000-08:00why can they meet Widdy Cent in the past? cuz the...why can they meet Widdy Cent in the past? cuz the timeline already presupposes that they did.<BR/><BR/>there's nothing to say that our heroes didnt meet Widmore in the past. so, they can meet him. <BR/><BR/>they can't kill him though.<BR/><BR/>"If Locke or Sawyer kills Young Widmore in the past, then Young Widmore will not grow up to be Old Widmore.<BR/><BR/>Young Widmore grew up to be Old Widmore, therefore Locke or Sawyer did not kill Young Widmore in the past."PalmerEldritchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12315511118300473440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17564195.post-90194149962175260282009-02-04T13:02:00.000-08:002009-02-04T13:02:00.000-08:00And now for something completely different, I will...And now for something completely different, I will list my 5 hottest females currently on TV shows that I watch. :)<BR/><BR/>5. Evangeline Lilly<BR/>4. Yvonne Strahovski<BR/>3. Sarah Shahi (sorry about the earlier spelling)<BR/>2. Sarah Chalke<BR/>1.......Minka KellyRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03896416531976268677noreply@blogger.com